Title: | Bicycling |
Notice: | Bicycling for Fun |
Moderator: | JAMIN::WASSER |
Created: | Mon Apr 14 1986 |
Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 3214 |
Total number of notes: | 31946 |
Did anyone see CBS's coverage of the Tour de France on Sunday? It was great. One hour from 3 - 4 pm. I gather they will have the same coverage next week. Good to see Bike Racing getting the attention it deservers. See the next note for a summary of the Tour's summary to date. jbn
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94.1 | Results through Stage 3 | SUPER::NUZZO | Mon Jul 07 1986 11:52 | 50 | |
Associated Press Mon 07-JUL-1986 04:09 Tourde France Results Tour de France Results LIEVIN, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the third leg of the Tour de France cycling competition - a 133-mile leg from Levallois-Perret to Lievin: 1, Davis Phinney, United States, 5 hours, 45 minutes, 31 seconds. 2, Henk Boeve, Netherlands, same time. 3, Robert Dill-Bundi, Switzerland, same time. 4, Charles Mottet, France, same time. 5, Willem Van de Eynde, Belgium, same time. 6, Jean-Claude Garde, France, same time. 7, Dag-Otto Lauritzen, Norway, same time. 8, Laurent Biondi, France, 3 seconds behind. 9, Francois Lemarchand, France, :03 behind. 10, Eric Vanderaerden, Belgium, :05. Overall Standings (After three legs) 1, Thierry Marie, France, 9 hours, 0 minutes, 8 seconds. 2, Charles Mottet, France, same time. 3, Dominique Gaigne, France, 3 seconds behind. 4, Laurent Fignon, France, :04 behind. 5, Alain Bondue, France, :07. 6, Yvon Madiot, France, :17. 7, Eric Boyer, France, :20. 8, Eric Maechler, Switzerland, :43. 9, Eric Vanderaerden, Belgium, :44. 10, Stephen Roche, Ireland, :48. Associated Press Sun 06-JUL-1986 15:44 Tourde France LIEVIN, France (AP) - American Davis Phinney won the third stage of the Tour de France cycling race Sunday, but Thierry Marie of France retained the yellow jersey of the overall leader. Phinney, riding for Seven-Eleven, the first U.S.-sponsored team ever to compete in the world's premier cycling classic won in a sprint to the finish line. Six other riders followed so close behind they all clocked the same time of 5:45:31 for the 133-mile course north from Levallois-Perret on the outskirts of Paris to Lievin near the Belgian border. The pack started in a heavy rain, and the day's ride was marked by a fall involving Colombian Omar Hernandez and several other riders. Charles Mottet, who like Marie is on the System U team that is dominating the early stages of the 73rd running of the Tour de France, picked up important bonus points in intermediate sprints, but eventually was caught by the rest of the riders traveling in a pack. Mottet, who pulled virtually even with his teammate Marie in the overall standings, placed second, but with an identical time to the leader's. Marie's overall time is 9:00:08, the same as Mottet. Dominique Gaigne of France is third, three seconds behind. | |||||
94.2 | it musta worked | APOLLO::DEHAHN | feel the spin | Mon Jul 07 1986 15:24 | 12 |
It's about time the coverage improved, CBS has done for several years now, the kinks should be worked out. After last years disaster (waiting through the golf coverage, only to have the cycling portion canned at the end) even a scheduled 15 minutes would be great as long as they delivered it consistently. I guess I wasn't the only one who sent hate mail to CBS. CdH | |||||
94.3 | where's LeMond?? | GAUSS::LAWRENCE | Wed Jul 09 1986 09:56 | 4 | |
whatever happened to Greg LeMond this year? I haven't been following racing this year but as I recall from a year ago he was the heir apparent following Bernard Hinault's victory then. | |||||
94.4 | 7th stage report | NOVA::FISHER | Fri Jul 11 1986 08:03 | 49 | |
Monday's Globe had Greg in 60th place, today he's listed as 35th place, 2:58 behind. Other americans: 40: Andy Hempsten, 3:11; 80, Ron Kiefel, 4:52; 100, Eric Heiden, 5:59; 110, Davis Phinney, 6:11; 133, Rob Roll, 6:28; 144 Jeff Pierce, 6:36; 152, Chris Carmichael, 6:44; 156, Doug Shapiro, 6:52; 182, Alexi Grewal, 12:23. Greg finished 85th in the 7th stage reported below, i.e., in the pack. The latest AP stuff from VTX is: Associated Press Thu 10-JUL-1986 12:23 Tourde France SAINT-HILAIRE-DU-HARCOUET, France (AP) - Belgium's Ludo Peeters shot ahead of eleven others racing for the finish line on Thursday to win the seventh stage of the Tour de France. Danish rider Jorgen Nedersen finished fourth, which was good enough to take the yellow jersey of the overall leader away from Johan Van der Velde, who had worn it for two consecutive days. The seventh stage was marked by ferocious jockeying for position among two of the riders favored to win the 23-day race. Bernard Hinault raced against Laurent Fignon for bonus points worth 18 seconds. His success there put an end to a brief but virulent contest between Belgium's Claude Criquielon and Luis Herrera of Colombia. Five kilometers (three miles) before the end of the day's 201-kilometer (125-mile) journey from Cherbourg, twelve cyclists, spurred by American Ron Kieffel, sprinted toward the finish, with Peeters coming out on top. The eighth step of the circuit of France on Friday will take the cyclists from Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouet to Nantes, a 204-kilometer (127-mile) trek. Associated Press Thu 10-JUL-1986 12:24 Women's Tourde France SAINT-HILAIRE-DU-HARCOUET, France (AP) - Frenchwoman Jeannie Longo sprinted ahead of Italian Maria Canins on Thursday to win the first stage of the Women's Tour de France. Longo had finished one second behind her rival in the prologue Wednesday, but turned the tables on the 62.5-kilometer (39-mile) ride from Granville to Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouet, also winning the title of overall leader. Longo said she won the day by riding close with American Inga Thompson as she waited for to Canins made her move. ``Maria took the initiative 500 meters before the finish line, but I made headway and overtook her at 250 meters,'' Longo said. Canins said when she rode ahead of the others, ``Longo and Thompson united their efforts in order to neutralize me.'' | |||||
94.5 | Move to England ! | JOLLY::DEARLOVE | Sat Jul 12 1986 13:01 | 18 | |
Hi, You Guys and Gals should move to England where we are now getting coverage of the T de F for 0.5 Hrs per day with 1 Hr on Sunday. They even have a Racing Cyclist commentating, so there is not much dribble to listen to. Most of his predictions on who will win the finishing sprint seem to work out. Later in the year they also televise some special City - Centre races for an hour each week. These races consist of a 40 lap 'thrash' over a 1 mile circuit in various UK cities. These are all good for promoting the sport - However they don't seem make me go any faster !!!. Mike | |||||
94.6 | and after 10 legs mens and 3 womens | NOVA::FISHER | Mon Jul 14 1986 04:02 | 64 | |
Associated Press Sun 13-JUL-1986 21:58 Tourde France Results Tour de France Results POITIERS, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the 10th leg of the Tour de France cycling competition - a 114-mile leg from Nantes to Poitiers: 1, Angel-Jose Sarrapio, Spain, 4 hours, 27 minutes, 16 seconds. 2, Jean-Claude Bagot, France, 1 second behind. 3, Eric Vanderaerden, Belgium, 2 minutes, 42 seconds behind. 4, Franck Hoste, Belgium, same time. 5, Josef Lieckens, Belgium, same time. 6, Johan Van Der Velde, Belgium, same time. 7, Jean-Louis Gauthier, France, same time. 8, Francis Castaing, France, same time. 9, Jean-Philippe Van Den Brande, Belgium, same time. 10, Mathieu Hermans, Netherlands, same time. Other Americans and Canadians 28, Alex Stieda, Canada, 2 minutes, 42 seconds behind. 50, Greg Lemond, same time. 65, Jeff Pierce, same time. 80, Andrew Hampsten, same time. 82, Steve Bauer, Canada, same time. 97, Davis Phinney, same time. 109, Doug Shapiro, same time. 121, Bob Roll, same time. 140, Eric Heiden, same time. 163, Ron Kieffel, same time. 167, Alexi Grewal, same time. 171, Chris Carmichael, same time. Overall Standings (After 10 legs) 1, Jorgen Pedersen, Denmark, 39 hours, 18 minutes, 58 seconds. 2, Joel Pelier, France, 1 minute, 3 seconds behind. 3, Stephen Roche, Ireland, 1:05 behind. 4, Bernard Hinault, France, 1:10. 5, Thierry Marie, France, 1:24. 6, Charles Mottet, France, 1:43. 7, Urs Zimmermann, Switzerland, 1:53. 8, Greg Lemond, United States, 1:59. 9, Eric Vanderaerden, Belgium, 2:26. 10, Robert Millar, Britain, 2:34. Other Americans and Canadians 17, Steve Bauer, Canada, 3 minutes, 48 seconds behind. 44, Andrew Hampsten, 6:19 behind. 95, Ron Kieffel, 10:11. 106, Eric Heiden, 10:59. 110, Jeff Pierce, 11:07. 112, Alex Stieda, Canada, 11:20. 116, Doug Shapiro, 11:52. 144, Davis Phinney, 13:23. 161, Chris Carmichael, 14:49. 180, Bob Roll, 18:33. 184, Alexi Grewal, 19:40. Women's Tour de France Results JAUNAY CLAN, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the third leg of the Women's Tour de France cycling competition - a 58.67-mile leg from Nantes to Jaunay Clan: 1, Betsy King, United States, 2 hours, 22 minutes, 33 seconds, avg. speed, 24.95 mph. 2, Maria Canins, Italy, 1 second behind. 3, Mieke Havic, Netherlands, same time. 4, Paula Westher, Sweden, same time. 5, Martine L'Haridon, France A, same time. 6, Monique De Bruin, Netherlands, same time. 7, Lory Laroy, Belgium, same time. 8, Imelda Chiappa, Italy, 1 minute, 4 seconds behind. 9, Jeannie Longo, France A, same time. 10, Sylvie Slos, Belgium, same time. Overall Standings (After three legs) 1, Maria Canins, Italy, 6 hours, 31 minutes, 16 seconds. 2, Betsy King, United States, 22 seconds behind. 3, Mieke Havic, Netherlands, :26 behind. 4, Paula Westher, Sweden, :37. 5, Monique De Bruin, Netherlands, :42. 6, Monique L'haridon, France A, :45. 7, Jeannie Longo, France A, 1 minute, 9 seconds behind. 8, Inga Thompson, United States, 1:27 behind. 9, Virginie Lafargue, France B, 1:27. 10, Connie Meijer, Netherlands, 1:34. Americans 14, Phyllis Hines, United States, 1 minute, 42 seconds behind. 15, Carol Rogers-Dunning, United States, 1:43 behind. | |||||
94.7 | Viewing dilemma. | BISON::HOFFMAN | Mon Jul 14 1986 16:56 | 7 | |
What a dilemma! Two networks showing cycling at the same time, the Tour on CBS, and the 1985 worlds on another channel, yesterday. Cycling has come up in the world: not only is the quality of reporting improved, but the networks are competing for cycling viewers. Next thing we'll have Monday Night Velo, with Howard Cosell commentating! | |||||
94.8 | SUPER::CONNELL | Mon Jul 14 1986 17:14 | 24 | ||
Right on with Monday Night Velo and Howard Cosell! Wouldn't that be great? (Not that I like Cosell..) In response to "What happened to LeMond?"... Hinault did promise last year that he would sacrifice for Greg this year. He has obviously retracted that promise, which seems to me a little bogus since LeMond helped Hinault last year. On the other hand... Hinault has won it 5 times and deserves star status. Lemond has also been treated harshly by the European press. They are knocking him for "not being able to win the big one". This is somewhat unfair in that he was 2nd in the Tour and 2nd in the World Championships in 1985. Not too shabby. On the other hand... LeMond has not exactly lived up to his promise as the greatest thing to ever lace on a pair of wood-soled shoes. Why did he let Joop beat him in the World Championships? Why did he do so poorly in all the spring classics (i.e. Paris-Robais, etc)? Hinault now says that Andy Hampsten is his heir. ??? Chuck | |||||
94.9 | Lemond's chances | HARDY::NUZZO | Mon Jul 14 1986 22:18 | 32 | |
re:.8 Don't count Greg out yet, though he does seem to concede Hinualt is in a good position (see report below) ... or is he?? Was it not in the mountains that Greg had to help Hinualt last year? Maybe a good place to bury him this year.(?) Also does not Andy Hampsten have to (or should) work for Greg in the TdF since Greg worked form him in his win of the Tour of Switzerland? Lemond may still have a chance. Here are the results after 9 and comments from Hinault and Lemond. Organization: HP Instrument Systems Lab - Loveland, CO Stage 9, a 38 mile time-trial at Nantes France, in which Hinault shows he's not dead yet. Bernard says "There is really no rivalry between Greg and I, if either of us wins, that's OK with me". Greg says "I think he meant it when he said he would help me win but if he shows that he is stronger in the mountains, it is he who will win." The mountain stages begin Tuesday. Overall Standings, after 9 legs: 1. Jorgen Pedersen, Denmark, 34h 49m 2. Stephen Roche, Ireland, 1m 5s behind 3. Bernard Hinault, France, 1:10 behind 4. Joel Pelier, France, 1:15 5. Thierry Marie, France, 1:25 6. Charles Mottet, France, 1:43 7. Urs Zimmerman, Switzerland, 1:53 8. Greg LeMond, US, 1:59 | |||||
94.10 | SUPER::CONNELL | Wed Jul 16 1986 10:18 | 7 | ||
ALL RIGHT !!!!! Hinault hammers in the mountains and takes the lead. LeMond in second. Looks pretty exciting. Chuck | |||||
94.11 | Lemond won yesterday. | NMGV08::MELOWEND | Thu Jul 17 1986 04:42 | 4 | |
Greg Lemond won the yesterday leg and is now only 40 seconds behind Bernard Hinault. Excitment is back! | |||||
94.12 | no need to panic | APOLLO::DEHAHN | Thu Jul 17 1986 08:52 | 16 | |
Come on, you guys!!!! A minute down in the early stages of the Tour is insignificant. Forty seconds even less so. What is much more important is what is going to happen when a leadership decision is to be made, like what happened last year. My money says Koechli goes with Hinault. Greg gets pissed and leaves La Vie Claire to start his own team. CdH | |||||
94.13 | SUPER::CONNELL | Thu Jul 17 1986 10:42 | 5 | ||
So, Chris are you saying that LeMond will not win this year either? Chuck | |||||
94.14 | Greg wears the Yellow Jersey | NOVA::FISHER | Mon Jul 21 1986 08:02 | 5 | |
Greg is wearing the yellow jersey after the 17th stage. Story and standings in today's Globe. Standings only on VTX. The GC is 1. Lemond 81:24:12, 2. Zimmerman +2:24, 3. Hineault +2:47, 4. Millar +6:19, 5. Delgado +8:00, 6, Hampsten 10:20, ... | |||||
94.15 | July 21st Results | NATASH::WAGNER | Mon Jul 21 1986 16:24 | 31 | |
L'ALPE D'HUEZ, France (AP) - French superstar Bernard Hinault and his American teammate Greg Lemond crushed all the opposition in the Tour de France Monday, crossing the finishing line with their arms linked in a victory gesture. Hinault led Lemond across the line by inches to win another tough Alpine stage, with Lemond keeping the yellow jersey of overall leader. Earlier enmity between the men, now co-favorites to win the Tour in Paris next Sunday, was clearly dispelled Monday. Hinault and Lemond were timed in 5 hours, 3 minutes and 3 seconds. Hinault and Lemond rode together over the passes, two of them including the final climb to this resort ranked as exceptionally difficult, with Hinault taking most of the strain of the lead. As they covered the final few hundred yards, Lemond put his arm on Hinault's shoudlers and the two men laughed as they talked briefly. The stage victory was for the 26th for Hinault, who has won the Tour five times, and put him in second place in the records for stage wins after Belgian Eddy Merckx, with 34 stage victories. American Andrew Hampsten was sixth in 6:22. Hinault and Lemond powered up the final climb, Hinault taking second place in the overall standings. Lemond's overall time is 86:27:11 with Hinault 2:45 behind. Urs Zimmermann of Switzerland, who was third in Monday's stage, also is third overall, nearly eight minutes behind. Hampsten is fourth, 16:46 off the pace. Hinault's La Vie Claire team now appears certain to win the Tour. Team owner Bernard Tapie has said that Hinault is his sentimental favorite to win again, but that he thought Lemond was more likely be the winner. Hinault said last year he would help Lemond win this race, but that had been forgotten in the public quarrels between the two men earlier in the tour. The riders get their only rest day in the event on Tuesday. | |||||
94.16 | anyone got any pliers? | APOLLO::DEHAHN | Mon Jul 21 1986 16:45 | 8 | |
Well, it looks like I put my foot in my mouth. I'm thrilled Greg has the jersey, he's waited a LONG time for it. Now that he's got it he's sure to win except for a severe mishap. CdH | |||||
94.17 | LeMond meets the press | JAWS::MHARRIS | Mac | Fri Jul 25 1986 16:14 | 13 |
I was amused by one aspect of last Sunday's CBS coverage of the Tour -- the only quote in French from Greg. He had just finished the stage in third to get the maillot jaune, was tired and toweling off, and a persistent French interviewer kept putting a microphone in front of him. Greg turned to the interviewer and said, with detectable heat, "Un peu de temps, putain!" -- Roughly translated, "Give me some time, bimbo!" (The interviewer was a man; the French sometimes use "putain" like we might say "dammit.") The relations between LeMond and the French press are reputed to be something less than ideal... Mac. | |||||
94.18 | I just got this off of VTX... | NATASH::WAGNER | Sun Jul 27 1986 18:40 | 83 | |
...and I thought someone might be interested. Looks like the "Invasion from Systeme U" has been successfully thwarted. PARIS (AP) - Greg Lemond, a 25-year-old Californian, became the first American to win the 73rd Tour de France Sunday when the world's most famous cycling race finished in front of cheering throngs on the Champs Elysees. Lemond took a solid lead into the 23rd and final leg of the grueling race and sprinted to victory on the France's most glamorous avenue. ``It's really been a great Tour for me,'' Lemond said. ``Still right to the end I was afraid and today I was a little nervous.'' He said he made sure to try to stay at the front of the pack to avoid a collision which could force him out of the race and prevent the victory. ``Finally, everything went well,'' he said, ``Tonight, I'm happy.'' Lemond's teammate, Bernard Hinault of France, finished fourth on Sunday and in second place overall, failing to win what would have been a record sixth Tour de France. More --> Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27 Tourde France-Men (cont'd) But he had promised last year, when Lemond finished second while helping team leader Hinault to victory, that he would help the American win in 1986. Lemond's composite time for the race, over more than 2,500 miles of terrain, including long sprints across flatlands and rugged climbs in the Alps and Pyrenees, was 110 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds. Hinault finished three minutes and 10 seconds back. Lemond's second-place finish last year and his third place in 1984 made him one of the favorites for this year's event. The last leg, over a 158-mile course from Cosne to Paris, was won by Guido Bontempi of Italy at the head of a large pack of riders. Josef Liekens of Belguim finished second and Eric Vanderaerden, also of Belgium, was third. Lemond finished Sunday's leg in 44th place, in the middle of a large pack of cyclists, all of whom were given the same time as Bontempi - 6 hours, 51 minutes and 55 seconds. In cycling, when a group finishes together all the cyclists get the same time, even though time elapses before they all have crossed the finish line. On Sunday, all 132 cyclists still in the race finished officially in the same time. More --> Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27 Tourde France-Men (cont'd) Scarcely a week ago, a bitter rivalry seemed to be developing between Lemond and Hinault, both members of the team sponsored by La Vie Claire, but the problems were resolved. Working together, Lemond and Hinault finished one-two in one of the most difficult Alpine legs, leaving all competition far behind. Hinault said he was ``a man of his word,'' and would not try to overtake Lemond in the final stages of the race, which began July 4 and traced a counterclockwise circuit around the country. Lemond admitted in a French television interview Sunday night that there was ``tension'' on the team because of the rivalry with Hinault. ``I think he wanted to win his sixth Tour de France, and I wanted to win by first,'' Lemond said. Premier Jacques Chirac and U.S. Ambassador Joe M. Rodgers congratulated Lemond as he received his prizes and a band played American national anthem. Lemond won $25,000, a porcelaine vase and a diamond-studded trophy. Lemond, a native of Nevada, now splits his time between homes in Belgium and California. More --> Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27 Tourde France-Men (cont'd) He had planned to ride in three exhibition races this week in France and the Netherlands before returning to the United States, but he said his immediate plans were to see his wife and child ``and forget the bicycle for a week.'' Urs Zimmermann of Switzerland finished third overall. Andrew Hampsten, a 24-year-old from North Dakota, riding in his first Tour de France, was fourth and was named best newcomer in the race. Zimmerman finished 10:54 behind Lemond, and Hampsten was 18:44 off the pace. Claude Criquielion of Belgium rounded out the top five overall finishers, 24:36 back. A record 210 competitors - 21 teams of 10 riders - began the race. | |||||
94.19 | ?? WOMENS TOUR DE FRANCE ?? | PUFFIN::WILSON | Steven, NRO2-2/A3 | Tue Jul 29 1986 13:08 | 8 |
$ SET FLAME/EEO/INTENSITY=NUCLEAR Has anyone noticed the almost non-existant coverage given to the Women's Tour de France. For the love of God, an American took third place there! Yet all that was in the Globe was a box 1/10 the size of what they gave Lemond. $ SET FLAME NORMAL | |||||
94.20 | All coverage not created equal | JAWS::MHARRIS | Mac | Tue Jul 29 1986 14:45 | 16 |
Re: .19 Well -- I wouldn't expect equal treatment for the Women's Tour because: 1. This was only the third running of the Women's Tour = not as much tradition or interest, even in France. 2. Shorter race = less time for suspense to build. 3. An American didn't win. 4. Maria Canins blew everyone else out -- no suspense at all. 5. American press likes wins, not places or shows. Coverage may come, but SLOWLY. Mac. | |||||
94.21 | Disgustin' ain't it ? | EUREKA::REG_B | Ninety nine .9 percent TV free | Tue Jul 29 1986 16:56 | 8 |
re .19 Yes, I had noticed the LACK of coverage. The only papers I have seen *ANY* coverage in didn't even mention that there was a womens' tour, though I think my 0.1% TV viewing showed it and implied that it was just a sub-set (like age and sex classification) of the TdF. Reg |