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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

68.0. "Mountain bike help" by RDGE28::GARLAND () Thu May 29 1986 05:19

Help please.

I'm seriously considering buying a mountain/all-terrain bike very shortly.
I've got a fair idea of what's available but I'd like to hear from anyone
who has any experience with these bikes.

My use for it will be for off-road cycling and for bumpy Reading streets
commuting - so I'm looking for a compromise between a pure mountain bike
and one with tyres, etc. suitable for roads.

The information I'm after is good and bad points about any make, model or
components, and suitability for the purpose I have in mind.
Any information from any country would be helpful and greatly appreciated.

Thanks, 

Howard Garland

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68.1A few ramblings...EUREKA::REG_BThu May 29 1986 11:2054
    
    	Hi (again) Howard,
    
    	I don't know if you have the same models in England as we get
    in the States, but here's my pen'erth;
    
    	I have a Specialized Stumpjumper Sport, it came with 1.75 tyres
    as standard, but the shop put 2.125s on at my request (no charge).
    The only thing worth upgrading is probably the bar and stem, mine
    has the all_in_one (tm) chromed steel thing that weighs a ton and
    has no provision for rotational adjustment, I would prefer a two
    piece set in alloy.  There's just no need for the strength of a steel
    handlebar on a bicycle, even an off road bike, and alloy absorbs
    shock much better anyway.

    If I were buying again (and I'd like to, but am looking at different
    kinds of toys too) I'd look very closely at the Schwinns that are
    around.  They have the Suntour roller cam brakes (well, they may be not
    Suntour, but they are roller cam), good quality component groups,
    separate alloy bar and stem and are about the same price as my
    Stumpjumper was a year ago.  For mostly city use I probably would'nt go
    with the 2.125 tyres, in fact I would use centre ridge tyres such as
    Specialized Cross Roads.  To put this in perspective I should mention
    that I've been known to go a'woods riding on tubulars with my fixed
    wheel bike, so my opinion of appropriate tyre applications may be worth
    very little :-).  Somewhere else in this file I mentioned the fact that
    behind_bottom_bracket_generator designs assume "conventional" chain
    stay geometry (well, I didn't put it quite like that, but the buggers
    won't fit a mountain bike style of frame), so if you want to use a
    generator chose the side_of_tyre type.  Before you go a'bashin and
    a"crashin around its a good idea to unset_up the bike a bit.  I learned
    from motorcycle trials (one of my other selves) that what can't budge
    will bust (classical physics expresses this basic law of nature more
    eloquently, but they mean what I just said). At least one bike shop
    mechanic believes that things need to be tighter if your going to be
    dropping the bike in the dirt, I disrespectfully disagree.  I loosen up
    just about all the clamps (brake levers, shift levers, stem binder,
    etc.) and snug them up just tight enough so that a hard slam with the
    heel of the hand will "align" the part.  I'm not saying to make
    anything sloppy, just make sure it gives before it breaks (or breaks
    you) and that you can realign it with a thump.  This isn't a well
    composed reply, lotsa stuff out of sequence, but I just thought
    of another feature that would be very nice to have, its a graduated
    (has marks and measurements on it) seat post.  For most around town
    riding its advisable to have the same seat height as your road bike,
    well, maybe a little lower, but you want to be able to drop it when
    in the woods, it would be really nice to have calibrations so that
    you can return exactly to your normal road position.
    
    	Hope some of this help, don't have time to organize the thoughts,
    gotta take a "work break" now, i.e. do something for dec.
    
    	Reg
    
68.2Get a 3-speed!SHIVER::JPETERSJohn Peters, DTN 266-4391Fri May 30 1986 15:5913
    I agree with the comments on component tightness.  Brake handles,
    shifters, the gooseneck, but NOT the seat post, want to be set up
    as stiff slip clutches.  Minor adjustments become a continuous
    unnoticed task, and nothing breaks when you come a purler.  
    
    For the street commuter, I'll chime in again in favor of the steadfast
    Raleigh 3-speed.  I continue to be amused by the mountain bikers
    with no knobs left on the center tread from riding pavement all
    the time, 18 more gears than they need, with the chain so loose
    it falls off (and the shifters much more susceptable to crash damage),
    and the inability to shift gears when stopped.  Carry on, folks,
    there are more effective ways to pothole bash.  
    							John
68.3croosroadsXANADU::RUDNICKMon Jun 02 1986 11:3413
    Hello,
    
    I've got a Specialized Rockhopper that came with the Specialized
    Crossroads tires.  They have the center strip down the middle. 
    I do some heavy trail riding every now and then and at those times
    WISH (strongly) that I had some real trail tires and not the compromise
    the Crossroads give.  Something to think about.  When you buy you're
    bike you might ask the shop if it would be possible to get a different
    set of tires with the bike depending of what it comes with and what
    you want.
    
    Ben.
    
68.4Centre ridge tyres aren't THAT bad...EUREKA::REG_BMon Jun 02 1986 16:1020
    re .3
    
    	Yeah, well, you know this'll stir it up, right ?
    
    	There is as much (or more) dysinformation around concerning
    centre ridge tyres vs absolute knobbies as there is about bald vs
    centre ridge road tyres.   I have to believe that at > 25 or so
    psi on rough terrain there's plenty of sidewall knobs grabbing on,
    i.e. your tyre has flattened out A LOT !   I think the key to off
    road traction is in how you ride more than in what you ride on,
    first rule is SMOOOOOTH !,  this implies doing nothing suddenly,
    spinning low gears at high revs and not throwing the body weight around
    except for deliberate steering effects.  2nd through n'th rules are, see
    first rule.  After that its all practice, there are some "exercises",
    like finding some loose sand and trying to ride with the front wheel
    locked up, riding along lengths of 2x4s, loose decents with the
    rear wheel locked when you don't really need to, etc.

    	Reg
    
68.5yeah but..XANADU::RUDNICKMon Jun 02 1986 18:2918
    
    Yeah... but Reg.. what about climbing a pretty steep, wet trail?
    If you're physically situated forward on the bike your rear wheel
    will spin out getting you nowhere.  So what do you do?  You shift
    your weight further back on the bike so that you get a little more
    weight on the rear wheel.  I find one of the keys is shifting body
    weight back and forth over the bike as the situation demands.
    Kind of akin to skiing.
        
    Also you mentioned calibrating seat posts.  That's a good idea.
    Another good idea is the Hite-Rite spring type gizmo that ataches
    to the seat post a quick release mechinism.  When you're on the
    road the seat is at road level but when you hit trails or decentsof
    trails you just open the quick release and sit down.  When you get
    back to the road, again open the quick release and the seat is sprung
    back to road riding height.