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Title:atm
Moderator:NPSS::WATERS
Created:Mon Oct 05 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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951.0. "SNAP Support in Digital Unix LANE?" by TAV02::YAIR (Yair Tsoran, Israel, DTN 882-3094) Thu May 22 1997 10:19

A customer asked me this following question: Is there SNAP support in Digital
Unix LAN Emulation over ATMworks 350 adapter? The customer claims that SUN
doesn't support SNAP in their LAN Emulation implementation.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Yair
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951.1Yes and no...TWICK::PETTENGILLmulpFri May 23 1997 03:1218
I can think of no reason that SNAP wouldn't work with DU's LANE, but DU
doesn't support LANE the same way that they support an Ethernet device;
ie., if its Ethernet then everything Ethernet goes.

Each of the Ethernet protocol applications need to be qualified with LANE
and only a limited number have been qualified.

However, going beyond that point, since LANE is Ethernet frame based,
for the most part, there is no reason to do SNAP.  For example, when
you go from Ethernet to FDDI you need to convert from Ethernet to SNAP
and then when you return to Ethernet, you convert any SNAP frame with
a 00-00-00 id (back) to Ethernet.  This means that if you transmit an
IP packet with in an 802 SNAP frame, if it traverses most bridges it will
be converted to an Ethernet frame.  There are knobs to control some specifics,
but in general, SNAP isn't used very often on Ethernet which is what LANE
emulates.

What SNAP protocol are they interested in?  Appletalk?  IPX?
951.2SNAP needed for TCP/IP over LANE to IBM OSA2TAV02::YAIRYair Tsoran, Israel, DTN 882-3094Tue May 27 1997 07:2310
My customer wishes to communicate with IBM Mainframe that has OSA2 ATM 155Mbps
connection. The ONLY way the IBM OSA2 can communicate is LANE (Ethernet or Token
Ring format) with TCP/IP SNAP. They don't support CLIP either.

SUN's LANE TCP/IP implementation is Ethernet format only. No SNAP suuport.

Any formal answer for TCP/IP SNAP over LAN in DU?

Thanks,
Yair
951.3TCP/IP with SNAP not supportedSMURF::GREBUSDTN 381-1426 - Digital UnixWed May 28 1997 12:2316
    The implementation of LANE on DU is such that it uses the same
    kernel interfaces as an Ethernet adapter.  So in theory, anything that
    works over Ethernet will work over LANE.
    
    However, LANE does not behave exactly like an Ethernet adapter, so I'm
    reluctant to say that something is supported if there hasn't been at
    least some testing.
    
    In the case of TCP/IP with SNAP, I think you are still out of luck.
    As best I can tell, SNAP over any Ethernet device is only supported
    when you access the device through the DLI interface (i.e. when
    directly accessing the Ethernet hardware).  We don't support
    running TCP/IP with SNAP encapsulation.
    
    	/gary
    
951.4Correction - it probably will workSMURF::GREBUSDTN 381-1426 - Digital UnixWed May 28 1997 14:2412
    A correction to what was in .-1:
    
    Incoming SNAP encapsulation for TCP/IP is supported.  Enabling an
    interface to send SNAP encapsulated TCP/IP requires using an
    undocumented flag to ifconfig
    	ifconfig <iface> snap|-snap
    
    After some testing, it looks like this works for LAN Emulation as well.
    I don't know why the sending option is undocumented.
    
    So assuming the IBM system doesn't expect something unusual in the SNAP
    header, we can probably talk to it with LANE.