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| 2519.1 | A bit garbled but........ | CHEFS::CROSSA | Make mine a double double!!! | Tue May 28 1996 19:14 | 16 |
| If you mean the Parkers range I can see a dealer rubbishing it because
it is putting a little too much knowledge in the hands of the punter
for their liking! I find them useful as a yardstick, and for the
revision changes. The only thing I can see is the lack of regional
variance - a car will be the same value in Hampstaed Heath as it is in
Toxteth according to the books (extreme examples but you get the gist).
I also discovered this w/e a new(?) guide for older cars (80 - 86)
which finally acknowledges us paupers, and our limited budgets. There is
also a motor trade version which I find unbelievable when prices from
this are compared with the "dealers" version. All dealers have their
own "black book" of prices which you and I will *never* see!
Stretch.
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| 2519.2 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Tue May 28 1996 22:53 | 22 |
| Talking of secondhand cars...
Low mileage cars with full service history. Buyers beware !
Don't always believe the mileage on cars even if the service records
and MoT certificates verify the mileage.
How so ? Apparently the trick is when the car is due for a service
you take speedo out set the mileage back to when the last service was
done and refit it. Do a minor service yourself (ie oil change), then
when the mileage is back up to what it was, get it dealer serviced
with a stamp and recorded mileage. This way a car doing twice your
average mileage can easily have a record of only covering half the
miles.
This is remarkably easy to do on some models.
It shocked me when I heard about it as I would only look as low mileage
cars with FSH. It seems unless you know about the history of a car you
can never be sure.
Royston
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| 2519.3 | | CHEFS::CROSSA | Make mine a double double!!! | Wed May 29 1996 10:53 | 4 |
| There are signs to indicate "clocking", and the physical state of the car
will normally tell you if the mileage is correct.
Bottom line - If in doubt, do not buy!
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| 2519.4 | Definitely, if in doubt ..... | CHEFS::POWELLM | On [email protected] | Wed May 29 1996 12:32 | 16 |
| <<< Note 2519.3 by CHEFS::CROSSA "Make mine a double double!!!" >>>
There are signs to indicate "clocking", and the physical state of the car
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
will normally tell you if the mileage is correct.
Bottom line - If in doubt, do not buy!
There ain't no signs on a BMW or Jaguar or others with an
electronic Odometer!
Mind you, I definitely go along with your last comment: If in
doubt, do not buy!
Malcolm.
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| 2519.5 | Picky, picky! | CHEFS::CROSSA | Make mine a double double!!! | Wed May 29 1996 13:00 | 7 |
| Sorry Malcolm but I have seen reports of "electronic clocking" as well.
If it makes money someone finds a way round it usually.
The main point is that the wear and tear will normally give the game
away.
Stretch.
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| 2519.6 | Mileage "corrections" | 50296::CADAMSON | [email protected] | Wed May 29 1996 15:31 | 11 |
| I saw an advert in a car mag recently - I *think* it was What Car a ompany
offering mileage 'corrections' for 3/5/7 servies via laptop computer I
believe.
Seems to be another one of those ridiculous things in the motor industry! A
bit like having a radar detector but it being illegal to use one but not own
one!
Craig.
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| 2519.7 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Don't get mad, get even. | Wed May 29 1996 15:40 | 12 |
| >There are signs to indicate "clocking".
Not always. The Cavalier I just handed back was 30 months old with 60k
miles on the clock. I can assure you there was no noticeable wear and
tear on either the interior or exterior of the vehicle. After a valet
I reckon it could easily pass for less than half the mileage.
Tell tale signs of high mileage are 'shiney' gear sticks and steering
wheels and worn clutch and brake pedals. Thing is this 'wear and tear'
doesn't happen when the car is used primarily for motorway journeys.
Royston
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| 2519.8 | | CHEFS::POWELLM | On [email protected] | Wed May 29 1996 15:56 | 4 |
| 'Twas all in Top Gear some month or two ago, and again last night
on the Meridian "Serve You Right" programme.
Malcolm.
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| 2519.9 | Reduce the Risk | CHEFS::WARDC | | Fri Jun 14 1996 11:09 | 19 |
| Last two cars I bought for my wife have been ex lease cars from trade
warehouses advertising in TV Autotrader. In the case of the most recent
one, ex Avis Lease, I phoned the seller got the registration details.
After two more phone calls, one to the fleet department of the company
that had owned the car, then one to Avis who managed their fleet, I knew
everything about the car. The mileage was verified, the service history
was full (with a massive bill on the penultimate service) and I could have
spoken to the driver if I had wished. Then I went to view the car,
test drove it and settled the deal within 30 minutes of arriving.
The only downside was that Avis charged 25quid for a print out of the
service history.
There is alot to be said for ex-lease cars. In this instance the
previous owner and the fleet management company had nothing to lose by
being open and honest.
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| 2519.10 | A very very good buy they are!!1 | CHEFS::CZERESM | | Fri Jun 14 1996 12:29 | 15 |
| Re buying ex-lease cars, as previous noter commented they are a good
buy, have had mine for over 3 years now and clocked up over 90K miles
and i bought it with 62K on it.
The car a 405 in excellent nick again could have only done 30K but i
took a risk buying it with no service history from a garage who i know
buy ex-lease cars and sell them on. The previous registered keeper
was P.H.H. and after a brief phone call were more than happy to fax
an invoice list for the car confirming all service intervals had been
adhered to.
The best bit was a managed to get the car for 3 grand, has never broken
down on me yet and is still on its original clutch!!!
Cheers
Mark
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