Conference terri::cars_uk

    Rory,
    
    Camberley Auto factors list a Fram filter Part number G6573       
    although they say it will be a special order, it might be worth
    contacting Fram direct.
    
    Hope this helps
    
    Simon.

    Simon,
    
    Thanks, now all I have to do is find a Fram stockist up here in
    sunny(?) Scotland.
    
    Cheers
    
    Rory.
    

    Petrol filters should be pretty cheap in-line affairs.
    
    Why you would need to pay 40 pounds for it I can't understand!
    They are only a few quid each normally.
    
    Tim
    

    
    It's prbabyl nut just a filter. The one on my 2.8i Capri is quite big -
    sort of like a big ignition coil - and is directional, it also has some
    sort of valve inside it. 
    
    Graham.

If the car is carb'd the fuel filter is usally one of the cheap ones.  
However, if it has f/i, the filters tend to get expensive.  Mainly because the 
whole fuel system tends to be pressurized and the fuel line connections need 
to be bolted together.  Most f/i fuel filters I've seen are metal cases with 
bolt on line connections.

Dave

    The man knows.
    
    
    Very true mine is metal cased and about four inches long with almost
    brake pipe type like connectors top and bottom.
    
    
    According to my mechanic (a mate) its the non-standard connections that
    makes mine so pricey.
    
    
    
    Rory.  

    typical of the car makers to have 'non standard connectors' just to get
    the 40 quid!
    
    Tim

    re .4 the valve is probably there to stop you backwashing it and
    saving money.
    
    Re .0 et al, is this Charade thingy a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke?  Not that
    I could advise you either way based on your answer, but I thought I
    remembered a 2 stroke version of the Charade, and all that nasty oily
    stuff is bound to complicate things and add oodles to the cost.
    
    Chris                                      

    This non-standard parts thing seems to cover most of my car...
    
    
                     ...another innocent motorist pays the price for
    		 						being different.
    
    
    They don't call them "don't buy" Daihatsu's for nothing...
    
    
    In fact they don't even call them that !
    
    
    Rory.    

    >2 stroke version
    
    Interesting ! The only two stroke car I know of is the Trabby.
    
    Royston

        �    Interesting ! The only two stroke car I know of is the Trabby.
        
        SAAB made a two stroke,
        
        Back to the topic, it seems to me that to get 100K miles from a
        Caharade is remarkable value for money, even with �40 for a filter!
        
        Ian.

    	Wartburg, DKW, Trojan before the war (WWII) to mention but three.
    
    				Malcolm.

    I'll two stroke you lot...
    
    
    
    The Gtti Charade has a 12v Twin cam fuel injected turbo charged 1ltr
    engine which just happens to be the most powerfull production 1ltr made
    to date giving a 0 - 60 of 7.7 secs.
    
    
    Signed Mr Indignant. 

    ooops I forgot to mention its only got 3 cyl.

isn't the 2CV powered by a 2 stroke?

Chris.

Just a 2 cyl boxer, regular 4 stroke.

The original Iso Isetta was a 2 stroke, 2 cylinder, single piston engine (or 
was it 1 cylinder, 2 pistons?)

What about the Peel and some of the other micro cars?  Did anyone mention the 
Trabant?

Dave

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       >>> ooops I forgot to mention its only got 3 cyl.
       
    	So was the DKW/Wartburg.
    
    	So has fast did the Charade go top wack?  Or was it designed solely
    for a spectaular 0-60 then run out of steam?	;^)
    
    				Malcolm.

>    	So has fast did the Charade go top wack?

dunno about this one, but a friend of mine used to have a 3 cyl. diesel 
Charade.  She allegedly got over 75mph out of it.

Chris.

    So how fast does it go ?
    
    
    It'll do about 115mph but I wouldn't exactly say it was the quietest
    cruiser around.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Rory.
    

    Im impressed you got it to 100K miles. I remember Autocar and motor got
    one as a long term test car with the idea of running it to 100,000 to
    see if it would last the distance. ( it has 100bhp - well 99 actually)
    , unfortunately, they got it to about 40,000 when it got stolen and
    never recovered. During this time, they did say it was reliable though.
    
    Since its done so well - i'd treat it to the �40.00 filter.
    
    In my boy racer days I remember lining up with one at a local drag
    racing track ( A57 ) and having watched it disappear into the distance
    think 'what the hell was that'.
    
    Rick 'just my two penneth' Barrett
    

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    >>> It'll do about 115mph but I wouldn't exactly say it was the quietest
    >>>cruiser around.                                              ^^^^^^^
     
       	Not the thing for long high speed journeys then?
    
                                          Malcolm.

    Put it this way it red lines at 7500 revs and 3 cyl engines are not
    known for being tooo smooth but still it almost does 40 mpg.
    
    
    
    Rory.

    	I'm surprised that the 3-cyl isn't smooth, since the DKW (admittedly
    a 2-stroke) is (was) remarkably smooth.
    
    >>>it almost does 40 mpg
    
    	Is that an overall average or only for gentle motoring?  My Xantia
    has averaged a fraction under 40MPG over the 28,500 miles it has done
    now.  That is a Diesel though - it does do 112 MPH the Road tests tell
    me - I've only seen 115 INDICATED on the level, but I don't know what
    the true speed was.
    				Malcolm.

    That figure is day to day average mostly on fast-ish A roads and dual
    carrigeways, using 4*.
    
    I had a 2cv a couple of years ago and that was not smooth, the Charade
    engine is smoother than that but is still distinctly different to a
    4 cyl.
    
    
    Tell-me is your Xantia one of the ones that stays level no matter how
    fast you go round the corners ?
    
      

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    .20>> Since its done so well - i'd treat it to the �40.00 filter
    
     I would spend �40.00 too if it requires replacement.
     Following is what you've got, keep it in same way....
    
      							Mitz
    
    			----------------------------------
    
    Charade GTti engin:	993cc, 3 cyl, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl,
    			turbo w/intercooler, electric fuel injection.
    
    test data:  two passengers + full tank petrol(40 liters) +
    		test equipment(optical senser attached outside and 
    		computer system on the passnger's knee)
    
    max speed:              194.2 km/h
    0 - 400 meter:          15.7 sec
    0 - 1000 meter:         29.1 sec
    0 - 100km/h:            7.8 sec
    fuel consumption:       9.5km/ltr
    
    
    
    
    

    re. 2486.31
    
    How come you know so much ?
    
    I would be interested in any info on the car that you have.
    
    I've had it for about 18 months now but still don't know a great deal.
    Most peoples reaction is "a wot ?"
    
    
    Was the the diesel Charade not in the Guiness book of records for mpg
    for a while.
    
    
    Cheers 
    
    Rory...
    

    	Rory, the reply number no longer go up to .31, so to which reply do
    you refer?
    				Malcolm.

    The original reply no. is included in the re-post I put in .25
    
    Royston

    .23>> I'm surprised that the 3-cyl isn't smooth, since the DKW
          (admittedly a 2-stroke) is (was) remarkably smooth.
    
    At what speed?
    115MPH?
    
    Charade offered 5 different engines to choose and all of them had
    balance shuft built in but I guess still not smooth enough compare 
    to the 4cyl's.
    
    Mitz
    

    Just at tick over it sounds very lumpy but when the revs increase it
    becomes smoother.I don't know if this is specific to a Gtti engine or
    all the 3cyl models.
    
    ....or it could just be my engine !
    
    
    
    Rory...
    

    Your engine is specialy re-designed from other Charade engines.
    
    Others are SOHC Diesel w/wo turbo and SOHC gasoline w/wo turbo.
    They kept same configuration(3cyl) and size(993cc) but every single
    parts are redesigned and the head is changed with DOHC, also made
    it stronger by using different materials.
    The suspension system and the breakes are different from others too.
    I beleive you have 7" ventilated disc front and 7" solid disc rear.
    You have independent suspension all around with stabilizer installed
    at both front and rear.
    You could choose combination of 3door-hatch/5door-hatch/3AT/4MT/5MT
    /Diesel/Diesel turbo/gasoline/gasoline turbo for cheaper models.
    But the GTti's only came with 3door-hatch + 5MT + DOHC gasoline turbo
    combination.
    I never owned one, no experience with 3cyl engines so I can't make
    any comments how smooth they should be.
    I do have full test report on the Charade GTti somewhere in my basement
    but I couldn't find it, sorry.
    
    Back to original subject, have you decided to treat 40 pounds or still
    looking for a low cost one?
    
    Mitz

    I've managed to track a filter down, well order it at least.
    Hopefully it will fit when it gets here. It is only going to cost
    15pounds, quite a bit cheaper than the original quote.
    
    If you ever track down that report on the car I would be v. interested.
    
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Rory...