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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2446.0. "Glowing 80" Landrover" by OZROCK::HENNEKELER () Mon Aug 28 1995 08:51

I have a friend who mailed me the following story last week.
Any information will be appreciated.  I can forward replies to him, 
or you can mail him direct ([email protected]).

Thanks in advance
Dirk 

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Subj:	Glowing British Military 80" Landrover in Australia ?

Hi all,

I have an interesting story to tell about a Landrover that I picked up the
other day.

I went to a wrecking yard in a country town about 400km from where I live.
I've been to this yard many times as they have quite a bit of 80" Landrover
gear here. Anyway this particular time, they had just received a "new" 80"
wreck in which I duly inspected for useable/rare parts. Anyway it didn't
take long before I noticed a "ministry of supply WV3" plate on the inner
wing. It also had reflector brackets dropping down from the rear outriggers,
no drawbar mount points, a white painted rear diff with a lamp holder
mounted in front of the rear cross member aimed at the rear diff, and a
number of other military style sockets at the rear of it. It also had a
narrow and tall plate mounted on the front right wing. It was painted bright
yellow. 

I thought well it's a british military vehicle, the reg number on the plate
was 03BC23 and the chassis no: 061000724. 

So I bought this thing and dragged it home.

I didn't know how it found it's way to Aus, and was looking forward to
determining it's history. Anyway a friend of mine (who was with me that day)
went to Melbourne to see another L/R collector and he duly told him the same
story.

This guy had done some research into military vehicles in Aus, and he noted
that one of the main british military presences in Aus in the early 50's was
Maralinga (site of nuclear testing). He said that they used a number of 80"
to drive into the blast zone to take measurements of radiation. At the end
of each day the vehicles were thoroughly washed down so that they were back
to safe levels of radiation.

At about this point in the story I was becoming quite worried. 

He went on to say that any vehicles which could be cleaned enough to get the
radiation levels below safe levels were painted BRIGHT YELLOW and left in a
compound within the restricted area!

The restricted area at Maralinga is not protected or guarded, the large
radiation symbols keeps most sane people well away from the area. However if
someone was crazy enough, and if these vehicles were left unguarded in this
compound which probably would have been the case because the only people
there should be wearing radiation suits, then it would have been easy to
come across a well maintained and easily stealable landrover.

Now my friend had this thing parked in his driveway at home and was
understandably concerned. 

So it was a tense moment the next day when I turned on the geiger counter
(obtained from the physics dept.) to determine the fate of my Landy. 

We all laughed when the geiger counter only registered background radiation.
I now have this very funny photo of me going over this landy with a geiger
counter.

Can anyone shed some light onto this vehicle, I know nothing about the
british military 80"'s, and have not been able to find a good book. I
understand that there were only 150 of them and that 33 had rolls motors in
them. I'd love to know some more about them.

Rod

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Rodney A. Walker                                  44 Ford GPW
Space Centre for Satellite Navigation             44 Willys MB
Queensland University of Technology               88 Cherokee
George St, Brisbane                               90 Wrangler
4000, Queensland, Australia                       85 CJ7, 85 J10
voice +61-7-8705187                               44 GPA, 44 Dodge Truck
fax   +61-7-8641517                               79 Cherokee Chief
                                                  56 CJ3B
                                                  55 Series 1 Land Rover
                                                  53 Series 1 Land Rover
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2446.1TERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereTue Aug 29 1995 13:336
Sounds intersting, I'll look in my landrover history book tonight.

If you write to Landrover Owner International magazine, they can
usually give a history of the vehicle.

Simon
2446.2OZROCK::HENNEKELERThu Aug 31 1995 00:5513
Thanks Simon, that would be good to see (I'm kinda curious too;-).

I've passed on to Rod, the information about writing to the
Landrover Owner International magazine.

I'm not expecting a quick response from Rod at the moment
since he is actually heading over to the UK about now, and
will be there for +3 months.

I expect I'll hear from him in a week or two when he 
gets there.

Dirk
2446.3Series I 80 inch landroverTERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereMon Sep 04 1995 10:3455
OK...

The 80 inch is a series 1 basic, as opposed to station wagon etc.

Chassis number 06100724 was produced in 1950, is there either a L or R
in front of the number? It was number 724 out of 17,360.
The number is made up as follows:

Eight-digit numbers, preceded on 1950 models by an R or L prefix to
denote right-hand or left-hand drive.

First digit               Second digit      Third digit
indicates model-year      indicates type    indicates variant
--------------------------------------------------------------
0=1950                     6- Land-Rover    1 = basic
1=1951                     (ie as distinct  2 = Station Wagon
2=1953                       from car)      3 = Welder
                                            6 = CKD

Fourth digit (except 1950 models)
indicates specificatoin
---------------------------------
0 = Home market
3 = LHD export
6 = RHD ecport

The last four digits (five on 1950 models) indicate the serial
number, commencing from 0001 (or 00001) in each series for each
model-year.

About the vehicle.

Series 1
80-inch (1948-1954)
Engine (1948-1951): 4-cyl, 1,595cc IOE petrol: 69.5mm bore x 105mm
stroke. Compression ration 6.8:1, Solex carburetto. Three-bearing
crankshaft. Net power output 50bhp at 4,000rpm; maximum torque
80lb/ft at 1,5000rpm.
Transmission (1948-1950): Permanent four-wheel drive with freewheek
in front driveline. (1950-1954): Selectable four-wheel or two-wheel 
(rear) drive in high range only; permanent four-wheel drive in low range.
NO freewwheel. Single-dry-plate clutch. four-speed-and-reverse gearbox
with synchromesh on 4rd and  4th gears, ratis 3.00:1, 2.04:1, 1.47:1, 1:1,
reverse 2.54:1 (from 1950 3rd gear has a 1.38:2 ration). Transfer gearbox
giving 1.148 step-down ration in High range, 1.89:1 step-down in Low range.
Front abf rear differentials with 4.88:1 ratio (4.7:1 from mid 1948).
Steering, suspension and brakes: Recirculating ball, worm-and-nut
steering with 15:1 ration. Live axles front and rear with semi-elliptic leaf
springs and hydraulic telescoopic dampers on all four wheels. Hydrolic drum
brakes, 10in x 1.5in, on all four wheels; mechanical parking brake operting
on transmission. 16-inch wheels with 6.00x16 or 7.00x16 tyres. 
Dimensions: Wheelbase 80in; front and rear tracks 50in; lenght 132in;
width 61in; height with hood up 70.5in (1948-51)l 73.5in (1952-54).
Minimum unladen weight 2,594lb. Maximum payload 1,000lb. Turning
circle 35ft (6.00 tyres, 40ft (7.00 tyres).

2446.4TERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereMon Sep 04 1995 12:367
Further to my reply, I contacted the Military Transport museum. 
They receive about 60% of the record cards of mil. vehicles.
Sadly though, they don't have the card for 02BC23. She did confirm
it as a Series I and there were only a few used for Mil. service.
All of the cards for these vehicles were destroyed.

Simon
2446.5Wow, that's pretty detailed info!OZROCK::HENNEKELERThu Sep 07 1995 00:5633
Thanks again Simon!

Sorry for being slack about replying here (some weeks are busier
than others).

re .3
> is there a L or R in front of the number?
I assume it would be a R since it appears to be a right hand
drive at the moment.  I suppose that does not really mean it
always was a right hand drive, so I can see why you asked the
question.

As an aside, Rod is one of these enthusiasts who likes to buy a old
car and strip it down and restore it to its original condition (or as
near as possible).  He has travelled around the country side looking 
for original parts that he could use.  During this exercise, he has
managed to get his hands on a pully(?) that can drive a flat belt -
needless to say that he was pretty impressed by this little gadget.

re .4
> All of the cards for these vehicles were destroyed.
That's a shame.  A question that springs to mind after reading this
is, "Why did they destroy them?"  Do you have any theories on it?

What you have found is really great!  I think Rod will be very pleased
with all this information.

I'll reply here with Rod's response (when I hear from him).  I think
I'll increase the estimate that I'll next hear from him to at least 4
weeks now.

Dirk

2446.6TERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereThu Sep 07 1995 09:596
I expect that they destroy the cards because the vehicle
is no longer on MOD accounts. I would imaging only those
Rgmts that deal with vehicles or xport pass the cards onto
the museum.

Simon
2446.7A reply from RodOZROCK::HENNEKELERWed Oct 11 1995 03:5215
Finally made contact with him again...and here is his reply...
Dirk
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Thanks Simon for all the help. I don't have a clue how to find out about the
hostory of this vehicle now, I'm unsure as to whether our military
authorities keep information about British Military vehicles, but I'll look
into it. I'm keen to find out about the history of this vehicle. Do you have
any other suggestions that may help out?

Best regards

Rod Walker
[email protected]
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2446.845480::SIMONSemper in ExcernereTue Oct 17 1995 17:436
I think the only way to get more info is either
from your local Military authorities or by wrting
to Landrover (Or Landrover Owner Mag) quoting the
Engine and or chassis number.

Simon
2446.945480::SIMONSemper in ExcernereWed Oct 18 1995 11:3111
To add more interest???

You can now eMail Landrover Owner Magazine at the following
address;

[email protected]

Get your friend to mail them.


Simon
2446.10Another possible source of info...ULYSSE::SPEPC1::MOULAERTThu Oct 19 1995 12:4717
Another possible source of information may be on the Word Wide Web.
Here is what I found that may interest you:

Land Rover in Australia
http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/

Land Rover Owner Mailing List
http://www.missouri.edu/RoverWeb/lro.html

Rover Web
http://www.missouri.edu/RoverWeb/

Land Rover
http://www.dealernet.com/cgi-bin/texdnv?file=/cars/95/land-rover/l-rover.htm

Hope this helps
Eric MOULAERT