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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2427.0. "Third Party Only Insurance" by IOSG::MITCHELLE (Pigs all fed and watered, and ready to fly) Wed Jul 05 1995 18:15

Has anyone ever had any experience of claiming when they are driving under the
clause in some insurance policies which allows driving of "any vehicle not owned
by the policy and not hired to them etc etc....."  which gives the minimal third
party only cover.

I've (so far) never needed to claim under this clause - but currently I am using
a vehicle (occaisionally) of which I am the registered keeper, but not the legal
owner. I just wonder what the position would be if anything happened.
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2427.1A bit dodgy?WOTVAX::HARDYPWed Jul 05 1995 22:1114
    If it could be taken that you are doing this to avoid paying a higher
    premium then you could be in trouble, as could the owner.
    
    Is the car insured in someone else's name? If not you've probably got
    real problems.
    
    In all cases for insurance, you must tell your insurer of any
    information that may be relevent to the contract. Being the keeper
    sounds relevent to me.
    
    But then this is only an opinion, totally uncorrupted by supporting
    evidence.
    
    Peter
2427.2Two policies needed.CMOTEC::JASPERStuck on the Flypaper of LifeThu Jul 06 1995 12:4813
    I understand it this way:
    
    Provided the vehicle owner taxes, insures & maintains the vehicle, then
    you with your "May drive another vehicle etc" clause in your own
    separate policy will then legally satisfy the insurance criterion 
    of having minimum insurance. Two Insurance policies must be in effect,
    one for the vehicle not covering your use & your own for a different
    vehicle enabling driving of other cars.
    
    
    
    Tony.
    
2427.3The vehicle does not have have to be insuresd...IOSG::MITCHELLEPigs all fed and watered, and ready to flyThu Jul 06 1995 13:2411
  I don't think the vehicle has to have any other insurance policy associated
with it. A few years ago a friend asked me to take their car between two storage
places - as he had no insurance policies at all - and when I asked the Police
about this they said I was within the law to drive it - third party only,  if
my own insurance policy allowed it. If it had been stolen while I was in charge
if it - then it was my friend's problem, but if I had parked it somewhere and it
ran down the hill and damaged something, then the third party damage would have
been covered - so they told me, but I wouldn't really like to try to argue it
out.....

2427.4I stick by .1CMOTEC::JASPERStuck on the Flypaper of LifeThu Jul 06 1995 19:034
    Dont rely on the police to interpret the law correctly, or to
    understand the finer points of insurance which you are asking :-).
    
    Tony.
2427.5fI asked the brokers....IOSG::MITCHELLEPigs all fed and watered, and ready to flyThu Jul 13 1995 17:4218
I decided to try to find out about this - so I 'phoned my broker. The first
answer they gave me was that the other vehicle did not have to be separately
insured, but then they said they would check for me. This then gave the answer
that all was ok _while_ I was driving, but if I parked eg in town to do the
shopping, then the vehicle was "on the public highway  uninsured", so the owner
could be prosecuted - therefor other insurance was required. I then pointed out
what the Police had told me, and they then said that the legality of whether the
car was insured or not was up to the interpretation of the Police.  (Is a town
council car park classed as public highway? - I didn't dare ask!!!)

(I decided not to complecate the issue by asking about owner/keeper
possibilities!  The above seemed a little much for them to comprehend :-)   )

Perhaps the only way to sort out this one is to speak to Norwich Union
themselves - anyone got their 'phone number ? :-)

(This is all academic now anyway - the vehicle in question has been insured in
its own right - I'd just like to know....)