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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2407.0. "Heating problems in a Volvo" by CMOTEC::HARWOODJ (Judy Harwood - REO - 830 2879) Tue May 09 1995 13:07

    Folks,
    
    Whenever I tow a trailer (including pony) on a hot day
    the temerature gauge of our Volvo gets very high, to the extent
    that we have to turn the heating on in the car and drive with all
    windows open to keep it from hitting the 'over heating zone'.
    
    I personally would not have expected this of such a car (it's
    an A reg 240 series saloon, non fuel ignition), but we've been 
    told that this is  'normal'.
    
    My concerns have increased as I had the top radiator hose 'blow'
    whilst travelling back from a show on Saturday.  Sitting in a layby
    on the A34 for 3 hours in the sun, waiting for a new one to be found
    wasn't fun, and I'd really like ensure that there isn't a repeat,
    or something worse happening.
    
    Does anyone else have this problem ?
    
    If not what might be the cause ?
    
    Judy
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2407.1FORTY2::PALKATue May 09 1995 13:4426
    The top hose probably blew because it was old and not as strong as it
    used to be. When the engine heats up the pressure in the cooling system
    rises. There is a limiting valve (usually the radiator cap) which
    prevents the pressure rising high enough to burst the pipes. Maybe your
    radiator cap is the wrong pressure, or may be the pipes are just plain
    old. If the pipes were strong enough then you would find that the
    pressure relieve valve will open, and you will start to lose coolant
    (as steam). This should only happen when the temperature gauge goes
    into the red band. 
    
    If you replaced the top hose you shouldn't suffer the same problem
    (though it might be wise to replace the bottom hose as well !), but you
    might still have to slow down or stop if the engine gets too hot (and
    check for escaping steam). It would also be good to keep an eye on the
    coolant and oil levels. Check them carefully before you set out to tow
    on a hot day !
    
    As to why the engine is getting too hot. There are a number of problems
    that can cause overheating (bad head gasket, wrong mixture setting, low
    coolant level, air lock in cooling system, worn out engine etc). Or you
    might just be expecting too much from the car when towing. It might be
    possible to add an oil cooler to help keep the engine cool. A garage
    ought to be able to run some tests to see what the general engine
    health is like (how many miles has the engine done ?)
    
    Andrew
2407.2Overheating not a problem in general, when towingCHEFS::SURPLICEKTue May 09 1995 13:474
    I've towed all sorts behind various cars and never had an overheating
    problem in hot weather.  I do know that the car instruction books
    sometimes suggest fitting an extra cooling fan.  You could try that.
    Ken 
2407.3JURA::OGGELTue May 09 1995 14:1812
>>I do know that the car instruction books sometimes suggest fitting an extra
>>cooling fan

Without getting into to much hasle I agree that a good and cheap solution is
to fit an extra cooling fan.
Another idea might be to place a switch in your car so you can switch on
your fan at an earlier stage and have it turning as long as you want trying 
to prevent that your engine gets that hot at the first place.

Just an idea,

Peter.
2407.4FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point ...Tue May 09 1995 14:2911
    I imagine the fan is currently a viscous affair on the front of the
    engine. If when towing you find yourself not going very fast, and this
    fan is playing up and slipping (ie. not turning fast enough), then
    there will be insufficient air flow to cool the car.
    
    It might be worth considering an electric fan (if this is the case),
    but understand it might not cure your problem, which might lie
    elsewhere, as Andrew pointed out, with the actual engine.
    
    Cheers,
    Dan
2407.5PLAYER::BROWNLAn Internaut in CyberSpaceTue May 09 1995 15:464
    Aside from Dan's point, which is a good one, you might like to consider
    flushing the radiator, and replacing the coolant.
    
    Laurie.
2407.6Volvos - born to tow!!!VESDAT::JKAXP1::KennedyDr Chandra...will I dream?Tue May 09 1995 16:159
I've towed a one-and-a-quarter ton caravan several thousand miles 
in temperatures up to 40C with Volve 740's (similar engine to the 
240) and never seen the temperature gauge go beyong the 'normal' 
segment. I think there is something very wrong with your car, I would 
get the root cause fixed rather than bolting on a fan to cure the 
symptom.

- John.

2407.7Things to do - re:overheatingARKIE::WEBBTue May 09 1995 17:5720
RE: -1 

John's comments are valid, you have something wrong with your car

Here is what I'd suggest

1. Drain and flush the cooling system
2. replace the thermostat and check to see if Volvo recommend a specific
temperature for towing.
3. check the colour of the sparing plugs to see if your running rich - adjust
carb if necessary.
4. check the fan belt
5. check the fan clutch - if you have one
6. install an oil cooler - most manufacturers recommend installing an oil cooler
on cars used for towing. This is the most expensive thing on the list and you
may not want to do it, but it will increase the life of the engine. If you don't
do it, make sure you change the oil very frequently.

nigel
2407.8FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point ...Tue May 09 1995 18:0114
    I've never heard of a manufacturer recommending the expensive action of
    fitting an oil cooler for towing! Certainly I think this is an extreme
    measure.... find out why it's over heating first, before resorting to
    this, which isn't really a 'cure', more a 'workaround' !
    
    Certainly for the odd bit of towing it shouldn't be necessary, but if
    the car is permanently used to tow trailers/whatever, and the engine
    and cooling system checks out fine, I would say extra water cooling
    capacity was called for more than an oil cooler.
    
    Just my .02.
    
    Cheers,
    Dan$hope_you_sort_it_out,I've_had_fun_with_cooling_systems!
2407.9AIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatTue May 09 1995 18:259
Generally speaking, when you start to put an engine under extra load you *do*
want to keep the oil cool, as well as the water.  If the car had an oil temp
guage I think the driver would have been surprised to see how high it went.

In the US, when you order a towing package, it usually comes with a HD radiator,
an aux oil cooler, and sometimes an auto tranny cooler.  Installing an oil
cooler isn't that hard or expensive and is a good idea if you do a lot of towing.

Dave
2407.10ARKIE::WEBBTue May 09 1995 19:1611
Re: -2

Dan,

The oil cooler is not intended to cool the engine, its to cool the oil.
It is expected that the engine will run hotter when towing and the oil cooler is
to prvent the oil from breaking down at the higher temperatures. As I said in
the reply, it will increase the engine life.

nigel
2407.11Flushing might not clear a bad blockageAYOV29::MPEACOCKWed May 10 1995 10:279
    Re; .5 and flushing the radiator.
    
    This was the first thing that was done when I experienced a gradually
    deteriorating overheating problem on a R5 Turbo and the water appeared
    to be very clean. This did not solve the problem however and other
    things were tried to no avail. At a loss, it was decided to cut off the
    top of the radiator and it was found to be very badly blocked-up.
    
    Mike
2407.12Radiator isn't all it should beCMOTEC::HARWOODJJudy Harwood - REO - 830 2879Fri May 12 1995 16:4610
    Folks,
    
    Many thanks or the comments.  
    The radiator is showing it's age and has been dosed with Radweld
    so I guess therein may be part of our problem.
    
    The car is due in to the garage for a new exhust on Monday so I'll
    try to get the rad and hoses checked out.
    
    Judy