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Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2264.0. "SU twin Carbs Flooding- Help Wanted " by ESSB::DOODY () Mon May 23 1994 10:57

    I have an AH Sprite (1967 1275cc) which has twin SU's (HS2) and 
    a SU electric petrol pump.
    
    My prpblem is that the float chambers both flood with petrol
    when the car is left ticking over. It sometimes even happens when
    only the ignition is on and the engine stopped.
    
    Both float levels are correctly set, the floats have no holes in them
    I have just replaced the inlet needle valves with "GROSE Valves" (these
    are a ball as opposed to needle valve) the problem has diminished
    but not cleared.
    
    I notice that the fuel pump gives a small 'clunk' about every 7 seconds
    EVEN when the engine is stopped (ignition on).
    I'm nearly sure that there are no air leaks on tank side of pump.
    
    SHould the pump make any noise when engine stopped??
    
    Could my problem be caused by the pump overpressuring the floats?? 
      
    Any suggestions??????
    
    
    CHeers, Brian.
    
    
    
    
    
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2264.1Austin 1300 but not aSpriteBAHTAT::CARTER_ARozan Kobar!Mon May 23 1994 11:2410
    >>    I notice that the fuel pump gives a small 'clunk' about every 7
    >>    seconds EVEN when the engine is stopped (ignition on).
    
    On my old Austin 1300, the electric fuel pump kept going when the ignition 
    was on even if the engine wasn't. I never actually listened to it, but
    I took it apart once and it seemed to work by flexing a diaphragm which
    could explain the clunk. Is the fuel pump you have fitted, standard?
    Perhaps you should up the idle speed to use the extra petrol? :-)
    
    Andy
2264.2Fuel for thought.FILTON::KING_MMon May 23 1994 12:1012
    I recall my days nursing a GT6 with Stromberg carbs some years ago
    having a similar problem. Basically the fuel pressure was too high,
    thus forcing the needles down on tickover but OK when throttle open.
    
    The fix was a device (cannot remember the name) which fitted between
    the pump and carbs and regulated the pressure on tickover. It also
    claimed to save x-miles_per_gallon and improve performance. I never
    really drove in a fashion that was conducive to economy then anyway,
    so cannot vouch for the latter claims!  - But it did stop the pools of
    fuel.
    BTW- Is the Electric pump standard/neccessary? if so can you "turn it
    down"?
2264.3PEKING::SMITHR1"Cracking toast, Gromit!"Mon May 23 1994 14:117
    re -1
    
    Wasn't an In-Reg Fuel Saver, by any chance? -not that I know anything
    about them, I just remember the name...
    
    Richard
    
2264.4in replyESSB::DOODYMon May 23 1994 14:3918
    re.1 What you are describing can be caused by a minor air leak on the 
         tank (inlet) side of the petrol pump ie. the pump turns over
         continuously. With my problem there appears to be no air leak
         (no bubbles in the fuel as delivered at the carbs)
         -- The electric pump is standard.
    
    re .2 All the evidence points to this solution in my case also and
          reading your experience backs this up further.
          I think the device you are referring to is a 'Filter King' ??
         -- I dont know if the SU type pump can be regulated for delivery
            pressure??
    
    THanks for all those replies,
    
    Brian.
    
    
    
2264.5PLAYER::BROWNLL-plates on the Info-HighwayTue May 24 1994 12:364
    I'd suspect the pump, especially as both carbs are flooding. Get
    another pump from a srapper, and test it.
    
    Laurie.
2264.6Buy new seats ?CMOTEC::JASPERStuck on the Flypaper of LifeTue May 24 1994 13:1814
    In my experience the pump will always pulse at a slow rate, I have put
    this down to pump inefficiency, i.e. back-leakage to the tank from the
    pressurised fuel line. I dont know how you can stop the flooding
    though, I've always used genuine BL replacement needles to cure the
    fault. I remember the filter-king, in fact I've still got 2. The
    principle has since been adopted by manufacturers, there's one on my
    Carlton I'm sure. I Guess you've also changed the needle seats ?
    
    Those needles also caused an intermittent power-loss on a Mini I once
    had, whereby they would either stick open or closed.
    
    Frustrating isnt it. My money is on a pair of new Carb-tops, i.e. new
    needles & seats.
    Tony.
2264.7pressure too highYUPPY::TILLINGSTue May 31 1994 15:4810
    This may be  a bit late but.....
    
    What you need is a fuel pressure regulator. They are about #16.00 from
    someone like Deemon Tweeks or such like.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Simon,
    
    
2264.8Problem cured thanks!ESSB::DOODYThu Jun 09 1994 16:4811
    Cured....
    
    I have fitted a Filter King pressure regulator and it has done the
    trick. NO leaks, theres now a detectable pulse in the fuel pipe on the
    hi pressure side of the regulator but not on the carb end.
    
    Obviously the pump was (is!!) overpressuring the system
    
    Thanks everyone
    
    Brian.