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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2130.0. "New car Scheme and the diesel motorist" by LARVAE::IVES_J (One i-node short of a file system) Wed Aug 04 1993 11:23

    As a matter of interest , and in case my current car gets nicked, what
    are the general opinions of the diesel cars under the FY94 car scheme.
    
    the mags I've read rate the Vauxhall diesel range as dogs, the only
    possible exception being the Cavalier TD.
    
    Anyone out there have any experience and/or views on the Vauxhall
    Diesel range?
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2130.1KERNEL::SHELLEYRWed Aug 04 1993 11:4213
    Well, the one good thing about the new scheme is that the Astra and
    Cavalier Diesels are actually less that the base allowance. 
    
    This means you can not only save on fuel costs but also supplement
    your salary by getting change out the allowance.
    
    I am considering a Cavalier LS 1.7 TD.
    
    If you didn't get chance to try a Vauxhall diesel at one of the
    roadshows then contact one of the garages listed in vtx for a test
    drive.
    
    Royston
2130.2WOTVAX::FIDDLERMWho's gonna pay for my crashed carWed Aug 04 1993 11:495
    I often get the Cavalier 1.7TD as a hire car, and I'm very impressed
    with it.  The performance might not be 'hot hatch', but its no slouch
    either, and the economy is quite good also.  
    
    Mikef
2130.3MAJORS::ALFORDlying Shipwrecked and comatose...Wed Aug 04 1993 12:313
The Corsa 1.5TD has the Merit spec.   Pretty basic to say the least.  Once it 
gets wound up, it barrels along OK...
2130.4PLAYER::BROWNLVideo ergo ludoWed Aug 04 1993 12:464
    I looked at the Vauxhall range before I bought my Peugeot. They were
    slower, and thirstier.
    
    Laurie.
2130.5BAHTAT::CARTER_AAndy Carter..(The Turtle Moves!)Wed Aug 04 1993 12:494
    The big Frontera 2.3TD: same speed on the motorway as across a ploughed
    field!
    
    Andy
2130.6Why is the Competition SO POOR!!!CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Wed Aug 04 1993 14:0316
Why is it that only Citr�en/Peugot offer Diesels on the highest trim Specs?
Anybody know?

It was, after all, Citr�en/Peugot who really pushed Diesel car Sales to their
present market share by offering top of the range trim specs. for them.  If you
go, as has been mentioned by others in this conference, to any Japanese car
dealer and ask for Diesel on a car, they laugh at you - they don't have anything
sensible to offer, so they try and deride the one asking!

Why is it that the XUD engine is still so far ahead of ALL the competition, even
though their TD has been on the market for, what, 6 years now?

				Malcolm, 
		who is waiting for his Xantia SX/VSX TD quote!

PS. Yes, I will post it in Topic 2120 when I get it!
2130.7PEKING::SMITHRWOff-duty Rab C Nesbit stunt doubleWed Aug 04 1993 14:445
    The Montego Turbodiesels go all the way up the range.  They use the
    rather nice Perkins Prima DI Turbo.  I'll bring you in a catalogue
    tomorrow if I remember....
    
    Richard
2130.8VANGA::KERRELLPluck a Plump PlumWed Aug 04 1993 14:475
>Why is it that only Citr�en/Peugot offer Diesels on the highest trim Specs?

What about the Cavalier CD TD?

Dave.
2130.9I'd prefer a BMW to a CitreonBAHTAT::FORCE6::hiltonParty on DudesWed Aug 04 1993 14:481
Or how about a nice 5 series BMW Turbo Diesel?
2130.10What competition?CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Thu Aug 05 1993 15:2611
	BMW Diesels, yes, if I had the money.  Right out of my range to buy or
lease and the fuel economy is consirably than my BX TZD Turbo.

	Vauxhall?  I would call the Diplomat the top of the range, not the CD!

	Montego?  Isn't that the Diesel that fails the E.C. Emmission
Regulations?  I followed one this morning and I've never seen such thick black 
smoke - and he wasn't even accelerating!

				Malcolm.
2130.11Not any more...HEWIE::RUSSELLI'm not a free man, I'm a QS-PRMU9-04.Thu Aug 05 1993 16:1821
re .10;

>	Montego?  Isn't that the Diesel that fails the E.C. Emmission
>Regulations?  I followed one this morning and I've never seen such thick black 
>smoke - and he wasn't even accelerating!

Rover did get some kind of waiver for their diesel engine a couple of
years ago, but then they did some kind of re-design with the injectors,
and made the turbo standard (even on the Maestro) and I understand the
current one does comply with the EEC regs.

(This is the engine in the Montego and Maestro, not the 218 and 418, which
are Puegot buy-ins)

re the trim;

I thought the CD trim from Vauxhall was on a par with the TZD from Citroen -
the main thing I noticed is the fact that air-conditioning isn't 
available as an option on the CD.

Peter.
2130.12New CarltonFAILTE::THOMSONSFri Aug 06 1993 09:428
I read somewhere that the new Carlton or is it called the Omega is going to use
the BMW 2.5 Turbo Diesel engine and not the Vauxhall 2.3 Turbo Diesel engine.

So it maybe worth holding on if you are in the market for that type of car on 
the scheme.


						Stuart
2130.13BMW power for FronteraYUPPY::ELLAWAYMartin Ellaway@hhlFri Aug 06 1993 10:336
    Stuart,
    
    The diesel frontera is also supposed to be getting that engine.
    
    
    Regards Martin
2130.14Re.11CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Fri Aug 06 1993 14:1613
>>>I thought the CD trim from Vauxhall was on a par with the TZD from Citroen -
>>>the main thing I noticed is the fact that air-conditioning isn't 
>>>available as an option on the CD.	     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>>Peter.

	Quite!  One thing I NEED for my annual trip to Spain is this!  It isn't 
so much the trim quality (or standard) but the available options.

				Malcolm.

PS. where's my Xantia quotes then?
2130.15Re.13CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Fri Aug 06 1993 14:197
   >>>The diesel frontera is also supposed to be getting that engine.
    
	Isn't this evidence of the quality/performance of "small" Japanese
Diesel engines?  Or rather the lack of same?

				Malcolm.