Conference terri::cars_uk

That information is in a table in the back of the general brochure sent out a
few weeks ago with the new car scheme announcement.

Dave.

    Air conditioning is standard on the Diplomat and an option on the 4x4
    turbo - it is not an option on any other models,
    
    Martin

Is AC an option on any of the Astras/Corsa's ?

cheers

Durelli

    I believe its an option on the Astra CD and GSI
    
    
    Xtine

> Is AC an option on any of the Astras/Corsa's ?
                                       ^^^^^

Nope.

Well it could be ......

If Corsa's are what people will end up driving if they want a decent car, 
having a reasonable selection of options is a selling point.

    Could some one who has been to one of the vauxhall 'roadshows'
    say how it works. Is it a lunchtime only thing or are test drives
    available all day. Do you book test drives or turn up on spec.
    
    There are loads of models. Do they just have a small selection of demo
    models ? Can they help get you test drives other models they don't have
    ?
    
    Thanks
    
    Royston

    Royston,
    		there is a range of cars available - probably differs from
    site to site. You can go anytime during the day - workload permitting
    of course! Just turn up, hand in your badge and sign for the car you
    want. The 4x4 Calibra was in heavy demand at Warrington, so you needed
    to be patient.
    
     They also brought along a Lotus Carlton, unfortunately this was to
    look at  - not to drive ^(.....
    
    Graham. 

    I drove the Cavalier TD at the roadshow and was alarmed to see that it
    was not equipped with leccy windows. The latest brochure shows that
    this is standard for the "LS". I thought it might be an old model but
    as it has an airbag I was wondering if was '94 spec and that 
    electric windows is now an option.
    
    Royston (didn't someone mention about this earlier in this notesfile?)

    With all due respect Roy, why does it 'Alarm' you? :-)
    
    A slight annoyance perhaps. I would be alarmed if the brakes didn't
    work!
    
    And besides, what's wrong with good old fashioned, RELIABLE, manual
    winders?
    
    Huw.
    
    P.S. you have no window at ALL on your alternative mode of transport!
    :-)

    Well, "alarmed" may be a bit strong but what I was implying was that
    if this was  a new model this useful (IMO) driver comfort had been
    deleted. 
    
    Royston

    RE: .9
    
    You mentioned airbag. Do you have to replace it or do you stuff it back
    into its orifice once you have deflated it? Not being in the new car
    market and/or seeing any cars with them around here I'm fasinated how
    it gets tucked away after use. Also what triggers it off, could the
    french style of parking (making a big enough hole for yourself) trigger
    it accidently? If you have to replace the whole thing, after using it
    once, how much do you get charged (rough idea)?
    
    Dave

    Dave,
    
    Vauxhall do a special leaflet all about airbags and how they work.
    
    As I understand it, they are pretty reliable (ie no false alarms) but
    resetting it is not a DIY job and is quite expensive I believe.
    
    Royston

    I'm sure the garage would replace the airbag at the same time that they
    replace the front lamps, radiator, bits of engine, hoses, restraighten
    the chasis, front bumper, wings... get the idea :-)

re .12

as the last reply implied, I would have thought that if the airbag 
had to be inflated, the car would not be in much of a state to
continue driving. The airbag protects the driver's face and chest,
not the body of the car!


	Ian

    Re: Cavalier LS and leccy windows.
    
    I've found out the answer. Apparently when the airbag was intrduced the 
    electric windows was withdrawn but Vauxhall discovered very quickly
    that this was not a popular decision with its customers so they have
    now reintroduced them. 
    
    Royston

Isn't this more indicative of the corporate attitude of 
"....If we're giving you something for safety, we remove something you ask 
for...."

And isn't the public complaining about having it removed 'as the result of a 
benefit to us' the same as us complaining that the lease cars are more 
expensive, now they have a larger discount on them?.

I expect things to stay or get better, not to be removed as a cost cutting 
whim.

Richard

    
    
    re .17
        Tony, without wishing to sound pedantic (but I probably will
    anyway) throughtout the course of 1 day I would expect to use the
    electric windows many times, there for sampling the benefit. However
    over the whole life of the vehicle I would not expect to use the Air
    bag, therefore it becomes a feature that you pay for, but never use,
    and, if it does get used it's consumable (use once and then discard,
    total waste of resourses), whereas 'leccy' windows can be used, not
    once, not twice but:
    
    
    
    
                loads of times....
    
    
    
    
    
    Alan.
    
    

    What Vauxhall did when they introduced the airbags was remove some of
    the 'goodies' to keep the list price the same - hence removal of
    eletric windows in the LS.
    
    On the SRi they took of the adjusatble steering column and the headlamp
    wash wipes.
    
    Malc

    I was told that the adjustable steering column was removed not due to
    cost, but due to ergonimics (sp?) when the airbag was introduced... but
    I guess thats not true as other manufacturers manage to put airbags
    onto tiltable columns...
    
    I for one wouldn't want an airbag... I prefer the smaller steering
    wheels, and from what a few of the magazines say they are overkill on
    UK cars with seat belt tensioners as long as seat belts are worn all
    the time, they were apparently invented primarily for the americans who
    refure to belt up ;-)...
    
    
    xtine

Seeing as Vauxhalls have seat belt pretensioners, is there any
need for an air bag? If the pretensioner works, it should pull 
you back into your seat hence avoiding hitting your face and chest
on the steering wheel.

Just a thought

    re -.1
    
    I thought the pre-tensioners were there just to keep you in your seat.
    Apparently, if you're in an accident and you're wearing a seatbelt,
    they still give quite a lot at the time of the impact. Therefore, by
    having them pull you in the seat a bit, you're less likely to wallop
    the steering wheel than if you were in a car without them. It doesn't 
    mean you're not going to headbutt the steering wheel. The airbag is
    the only way to stop you doing that.
    
    Dave.
    

    The air bag also stops the wheel from hitting you!
    
    	- Chris -

    
    >The air bag also stops the wheel from hitting you!
    
    It also help stop glass splinters from hitting you in the face.
    
    I have a friend in America who was involved in an accident. Her arms
    were covered in splinter cuts yet her face was untouched.
    
    
    POL.             

	Having an air-bag and not wearing seat belts is VERY dangerous, you
	can be propelled feat-first and have terrible damage to your legs and
	spine.

	Heather

re .27 

isn't that what the anti-submarine seats are supposed to prevent?

I'm not really sure why we need air-bags, and seat belts, and pre-
tensioners, and anti-sub seats, and deformable steering wheel columns...

And why do GM do "full size" (US) air bags, while VW and Ford do
Euro-size air bags, which are only half as big....

and if air-bags are that valuable an aid, why aren't they more readily
available for the passenger side?

Peter.

>and if air-bags are that valuable an aid, why aren't they more readily
>available for the passenger side?


The passenger is unlikely to hit his/her face on the steering wheel!

Nissan are developing rear passenger air bags and will be producing 
3-bag cars. 2 in the front and one behind the front passenger (I think).




	Ian

    
    > why we need air-bags, and seat belts, and pre-
    > tensioners, and anti-sub seats, and deformable steering wheel
    > columns...
    
    Because we all drive like maniacs.....8*)
    
    Richard
    

    
    
    Driver and passenger air-bags are standard on the Ford Mondeo and 
    some VW models in Germany and Switzerland I believe.
    
    The japanese (Toyota and/or Nissan) are also developing doorbags to
    reduce damage in the event of side impacts.
    
    I totally agree with the continued development in car safety. However,
    it took two children to convince me.
    
    Paul

	One of the sunday mags said that Vauxhall were considering passenger
	bags for all cars.

	Heather

    .28�And why do GM do "full size" (US) air bags, while VW and Ford do
    .28�Euro-size air bags, which are only half as big....
    
    	Was this a serious question, as the answer's that the US air-bags
    are designed with the assumption that the car occupants won't be using
    seatbelts and would be thrown around more, while the European
    manufacturers assume that the occupants will be using seatbelts.
       This means that they can predict better where the occupants will be
    in a crash and thus use a smaller bag, leading to lower costs and easier
    fitting.

re .33;

So, do we need US size air bags or not - are they safer than the Euro-bag?

Or did GM just save money by bunging in the "corporate air-bag" instead
of engineering a smaller Euro-bag?

Peter

    
    re .32
    
    Ford will be the first manufacturer to fit all cars with a drivers side
    airbag when they introduce aibags on all models of the '94 model year.
    Vauxhall have said that they will do the same by next August.
    
    Richard. 

    .34� So, do we need US size air bags or not - are they safer than the Euro-bag?
    
        From all I've read, they'll do the same job but the Euro-ones can
    take advantage of the fact that when wearing a seat-belt, you're
    limited to where you could be thrown in the impact.  In both cases, I
    think they're classified as a _secondary_ restraining device but
    they're beefed up in the US to take account of the tendancy not to wear
    seat-belts there.
    
        Another thing I've read is that any impact large enough to trigger
    the air bag will be enough to write off the car!

    On the Mondeo I drove a while back there was even instructions on the
    sun visor of do's and dont's when launching yourself into the air-bag.
    
    I wouldn't of thought you'd have much a choice in the event of a
    collision.
    
    Royston

    Is it perhaps that the Americans tend to be a teensy bit fatter on
    average?  (Sorry guys)
    
    Richard 

    RE: A few back about Ford fitting driver side airbags standard on the
    Mondeo as of model year 94...
    
    So will Volvo ! as of September this year, which is the start of their
    94 model year - on the 850's at least.
    
    Paul
    
     

    Passenger side airbags are dangerous when a rear facing child
    (0-9mnths) is used (or vice-versa?), so what happens if air-bags are
    fitted all round?

    Why do you say the're dangerous?. I would have thought the seat came
    clear of the dashboard, and would be unlikely to influence the child
    set.
    
    Richard

>    Passenger side airbags are dangerous when a rear facing child
>    (0-9mnths) is used

Andy,

for what purpose do you intend to use your rear facing child?

Chris.

    �Hasn't this one come a long way from the Topic title!
    
    Agreed. I've changed the title from "Cavalier brochure?" to
    "Vauxhall specs and options".
    
    Royston

    Just another tit-bit about air-bags (Swiss market).

    All Fords will have air-bags as standard starting '94 except for 
    the fiesta which have them standard on either the next generation
    fiesta of early '94. Not sure whether it driver side only or driver and
    passenger.

    BMW will fit air-bags as standard but I think the base price will be
    increased by about Sfr700.

    Re Being dangerous for small kids. I think one of the german mags did a
    crash test with Childrens car seats and air-bags. At the instant of
    impact the car seat is catapulted forwards only to be met by the
    rapidly expanding air-bag. The air-bag then proceeds to ram the childs 
    car seat backwards towards the top of the passenger seat. End result is
    a messed up kid. They also suggested that most childrens car seats are
    NOT safe. Certainly not as safe commonly assumed. One of the big
    problems being lack of solid anchorage points.
    
    Paul
    

    It's states on the Klippan kids seats that you mustn't fasten the seat
    in a seat that has airbags.
    
    Ian.

    All the rear facing seats I have seen state that they must not
    be used in seats with airbags, one manufacturer uses a red notice on
    the box with words similar to "MAJOR SAFETY WARNING" to bring attention
    to the fact.
    
    
    Martyn (who's been looking at a lot of baby type stuff recently).

    Something which puzzles me is what happens to the plastic cover when
    the airbag goes off? Is one first hit by a 6" square of plastic or are
    they hinged?
    
    Andrew

    re .48
    
    Anybody want to lend us their car so we can find out??
    
    Ian.

    in the case of the mondeo, they had a static demonstration in the
    launch I went to. The steering wheel boss is deliberately weakened
    around the break point and designed to flip UP staying attached along
    it's top edge. The opening was about 4-5" square.
    
    You can actually see this as a slightly raised piece in the steering
    boss on the mondeo.
    
    
    Richard

    Can anyone explain to me what is missing from the Cesaro V6 when
    compared with the standard Cavalier V6 that justifies a �1400 price
    difference?  My local dealer can't.
    
    - Chris -

    Driver prices for Vauxhall options have been ready for VTX for some
    days but there is some problem with getting the data up on VTX.  We are
    doing our best top solve this problem and get the information to you as
    soon as possible.
    
    Doug

    There is an error on the new Car Order Form which will be changed in
    the next print run.  This is in Declaration 4 on the front of the form.
    
    The words "and indemnify Digital against any additional expense arising
    therefrom" will be deleted.  Anyone using forms ref. CFAJB 7/93 can
    delete these words until the new version is available.
    
    Doug

    My Escort Ghia has a passenger air-bag, it's not a standard Ford one.
    Sometimes she sits in the front, sometimes the back - ;^)
    
    Maybe if the made them doll shaped (like the autopilot in "Airplane") 
    then maybe Alan (.19) might get one instead of his leccy windows ! 
    
    But seriously though... If cars in future are to be fitted with allround
    air-bags what are those of us with backward facing children (seats) to
    do ? 
    
    Unless the air-bags can be disabled.
    
    Andy.
         

    
    re -1
    
      thanks for the support..... but don't you find it kind of difficult
    driving whilst facing rearward ??
    
    :-)
    
     Alan
    

    re .55
    
    Sorry Alan .... UBOHUB was down when I wrote .54 wasn't meant to be
    so anonymous.
    
    But I can't get the picture out of my head of some poor driver near
    certain death being save by an inflatable doll (male or female).
    
    As for driving backward facing... well why not drive in reverse
    everywhere then the air-bag would never be needed.
          
    Andy.

    
    re -1,
    
     no problem Andy, but don't you think that the insurance dept. would
    get a little upset when they average 2 to 3 claim forms per week from
    me all with the "reason for the accident" statement being "I just
    wanted to check that the Air bag didn't have a puncture". 
      What would the officers that attend all these all these accidents
    say?..."well sir, we do seem to have got ourselves into a bit of a
    predicament, don't we?" :-)
    
    Alan 

    Hilary tells me that the options are on VTX now - there are some prices
    not yet available but they're mostly there
    
    Doug

Well, I for one won't be ordering a Frontera with SILK Protection Bars
					          ^^^^

Not for 41.00 quid anyway...

    They are designed to protect your car from lawyers.
    
    and cheap at twice the ...Aargh
    
    is this a smilie ?
    ;^)

    .... Finally a deterrent for the punter who uses the car phone whilst
    their vehicle is in motion...
    According to a report in Computer Weekly it would appear that carphones
    can set of air bags.... There doesn't appear to be any concrete
    proof of this as yet, only at the 'theory' stage... I'm not sure if the
    carphone can only set of the airbag in the vehicle that it's riding along
    in.  For example... "Been burned off at the traffic lights again !
    Never fear... just give the offender a call on his carphone and..."
    
    ;-)  Reargards,
    
    Stephen
               

In one of the sunday papers, there was a story about police personal radios
interfering with the engine black box, which is located in the footwell of
the latest Astra 1.4's. 

When you transmit, the engine stalls.

Must make for interesting pursuits....

Apparantly the fuzz have been told to only use the in-car radios until
it gets sorted.

Didn't some early Saabs have a similar problem, when driving past the big
transmitters on the M1 near Rugby....

Peter.

    I read somewhere that the a Danish cellular phone will stall a new Opel
    Corsa - interfering with the engine management stuff.
    
    Paul

    Following the comments in 2134 it would seem that the deal with
    Vauxhall will only allow vauxhall options and no third party stuff.
    
    It has been mentioned that only Vauxhall ICE should be fitted no VSL
    alarms should be fitted and I was told by Wadham Kenning that only a
    *Vauxhall* tow bar should be fitted.
    
    This differs from the old arrangement and what has it got to do with
    vauxhall anyway. Surely its Hertz that deal with the cars at the end of
    the lease.
    
    Royston

    re -1
    
    It's chaeper to get a non Vauxhall tow bar fitted and pay for it
    yourself.
    
    
    malcolm

    �It's chaeper to get a non Vauxhall tow bar fitted and pay for it
    yourself.
    
    Thats exactly the point. You are *mean't* to ask car fleet (who then
    asks Hertz) for permission before adding accessories like tow bars.
    
    Wadham Kenning said that it _has_ to be Vauxhall and the price is �230.
    
    So if Hertz refuse unless its vauxhall your stuffed. 
    
    I got a quote by the way for a tow bar on a Cavalier and it �64/yr.
    
    Royston

    re -1
    
    Are you sure??
    
    I think you can only order Vauxhall options but you can fit non
    Vauxhall accesories EG tow bar, as long as you have Hertz permission 
    
    
    But you are right if Hertz say NO! Unusual though if they did refuse.
    
    malcolm

  >Wadham Kenning said that it _has_ to be Vauxhall and the price is �230.

	I got a good make (Witter (SP?)) for my Espace complete with electrics
cost me about �100.00 inc VAT.

	Dave

    
    I have a PHH car, I phoned them and asked if it was OK they said it was
    fine as long as either it did no damage to the car IE. no holes cut in
    body for towbar to come out or the towbar was left on, they did however
    specify it should be fitted by a "reputable company" I had a Witter
    fitted by a local specialist for ?110 to my Renault 19 16V
    
    Richard

    The point is I'm wondering if there is a _new_ type of agreement with
    Vauxhall/Hertz/Digital with regard to aftermarket accessories.
    
    Within reason we used to be able to quote for any amount of options on
    our quotes not necessary supplied by the manufacturer themselves.
    
    Now under the new scheme we are hearing all these stories of _only_
    Vauxhall stereos/tow bars/alarms etc.
    
    This suggests a limitation that hasn't officially been mentioned to us.
    
    
    Royston

I have used a Company called Discount Tow Bars (0742-330344 0r 330131) in the 
past , their towbars are very good and without Electrics the price for a 
Cavalier or Frontera is �25 fit it yourself as it is very simple just give them
a credit card number and you will have it 2 days later.At this price just leave
it on the car at the end of lease.


					Stuart


								

    Surely its better to have these odd bits fitted after the car is
    delivered anyway.  If you include them in with the car, then you
    typically pay more than the cost of the option over the lease period,
    AND you'll have the retail price of the options taken into account when 
    calculatng the tax liabaility.
    
    - Chris -                  
    

    Chris, you have to be careful what you fit to a lease car.
    
    We _should_ get permission from the lease company (via car fleet)
    before fitting anything.
    
    Royston

    Maybe I missed something.
    
    Is the point that there is a restriction on what can be ordered with
    the car, or on what can be fitted afterwards.
    
    I appreciate that one should always obtain prior approval before
    modifying the vehicle.  Are the replies from .65 on saying that this is
    not forthcoming, or are they saying that extras ordered with the
    vehicle should/must be Vauxhall accessories?
    
    - Chris -

    Chris,
    
    I guess everyone has their point to make. What I was concerned with 
    was that all options and stuff fitted afterwards need to be Vauxhall.
    
    Admittedly this info only seems to be coming from Wadham Kenning but at
    the end of the day if you want something like a tow bar after you have
    the car delivered and ask permission from Hertz to fit a Witter for
    �100, it will be a bit of a shock if they turn round and say "sorry
    son, you have to fit a Vauxhall one at 230 quid".
    
    Royston

Since the PCL Cavalier prices are for 1994 models and I only have the specs for 
1993, I called Wadham (Kenning) to find out if there were any major changes...

For the Cavalier GLS - 	the Driver's airbag becomes an OPTION.
			the clock is digital with an outside temperature display
			wide angle driver's mirror
			different wheel trim and tyres
			different colours available 

".....these are the differences on our list and can change before publication"

1994 models and catalogues will be available from the end of September.

    I've also spoken to Wadham Kenning (yes folks I'm replacing my beloved
    Fiesta turbo witth a Cavalier LS 1.7 TD) and if you want the new model
    mark your order "'94 SPEC".
    
    They reckon they can source a '93 model within 10 days but a '94 spec
    cavalier would not be available until late October.
    
    Re .77 are you sure that the air bag becomes an option ? I thought
    there was a big thing about them being standard across the range.
    
    Royston

>>    Re .77 are you sure that the air bag becomes an option ? I thought
>>    there was a big thing about them being standard across the range.

Yes, that's what they said. I was surprised and checked that I had heard right.


Paul.

    I have just spoken to Vauxhall on their customer support number and
    they have not yet released the specs for 94 Cavaliers.
    
    They are due to be released to the press 'any day now' and they will
    ring me back when this information is available.
    
    Jim

    re .79
    
    When I last spoke with my local dealer, they said they had received a
    number of complaints about the lack of adjustable steering column
    with the air-bag, and had heard from Vauxhall that the revised range
    may offer a choice between adjustable column and airbag with no cost
    difference.  Perhaps .77 is their implementation of that.
    
    	- Chris -

    On the Frontera, what exactly IS a silk protection bar, and why is it
    mutually exclusive with a side step?
    
    Puzzled

    I think you'll find that 'silk' is actually a typo for 'sill'.
    
    Royston

>    According to a report in Computer Weekly it would appear that carphones
>    can set of air bags.... There doesn't appear to be any concrete
>    proof of this as yet, only at the 'theory' stage... I'm not sure if the
>    carphone can only set of the airbag in the vehicle that it's riding along
>    in.  For example... "Been burned off at the traffic lights again !
 

	Volvo is including warnings in all new cars sold in the UK, that
	portable phones can set off the airbag.

	They have done research in their Swedish centre, they found portable
	phones could open the airbag with no warning, effectively blinding the
	driver.

	They say it is not just their cars, but all cars.

	It's the hand-held portable that could give the problem, not from
	properly installed phones.

	Jags, Mercs, Honda and Toyota Lexus, will all have driver AND passenger
	air-bags from next year.

	Heather

>	Jags, Mercs, Honda and Toyota Lexus, will all have driver AND passenger
>	air-bags from next year.

So both the driver and the passenger will be blinded ?

:-)

>>    According to a report in Computer Weekly it would appear that carphones
>>    can set of air bags.... There doesn't appear to be any concrete
>>    proof of this as yet, only at the 'theory' stage... I'm not sure if the
>>    carphone can only set of the airbag in the vehicle that it's riding along
>>    in.  For example... "Been burned off at the traffic lights again !
 

>	Volvo is including warnings in all new cars sold in the UK, that
>	portable phones can set off the airbag.

>	They have done research in their Swedish centre, they found portable
>	phones could open the airbag with no warning, effectively blinding the
>	driver.

>	They say it is not just their cars, but all cars.

>	It's the hand-held portable that could give the problem, not from
>	properly installed phones.

	What about hand held portables with a car kit? Are these OK or
	potentially dangerous? Given that we are now using Vauxhalls with
	air bags, what is fleet going to do to allay any fears of company drivers
	with portables.

dg

>	What about hand held portables with a car kit? Are these OK or
>	potentially dangerous? Given that we are now using Vauxhalls with
>	air bags, what is fleet going to do to allay any fears of company drivers
>	with portables.

	It doesn't say in the report I read this morning.

	Somewhere in the back of my mind from one of the sunday papers, I 
	remember something about , if the aeriel was outside the car, you
	were OK.

	Heather

This type of problem was fixed in or just after WW II. Then it was a case of
radio transmitters setting off the explosive bolts on the canopy.

Simon

    Well folks, at no great expense, let me introduce you all to the
    specification changes for the Vauxhall 94 model year......
    

     Here is the 94 Model Year spec........

Price details will be available from dealers this week

Changes are as follows:

Corsa 

o	New 4speed 3 mode auto introduced with 1.4 Hi-torq on Merit 3dr
	LS3/5dr & GLS 5dr
o	Drivers side airbag option across all models
o	Single disc CD player option available on all models except Merit.

Astra

o	Driver airbag standard on CD
o	New 1.8 16v ECOTEC replaces 2.0 in Cesaro & CD
o	New rolling resistance tyres fitted on all GLS models (155/55/14)
	other models to follow later.  Extends tyre life by 5-8%
o	CD now available with 1.7TD engine variant
o	LS now has electric windows standard on 1.7TD
o	Single disc CD optionavailable on all models 
o	New color 'Smoke Grey'. Mistral grey deleted
o	L trim level deleted
o	1.4GLS & CD auto variants.  1.7D GLS  4dr 1.4 (82PS) Merit deleted
o	Temperature gauge with ice warning added to Merit information 
	display

Cavalier

o	Passenger airbag standard on Diplomat and Turbo models, optional 
	on all other models
o	Digital dual info display standard on all models includes digital 
	clock & outside temperature with ice warning instead of clock
o	New diplomat model now available with 2.5 V6 engine and standard 
	single disc CD player
o	New 1.6E- Drive economy engne (70PS @5000 94.4 lb ft @ 2800rpm)
	58.9mpg @56mph
o	New low rolling resistance tyres on 1.6 1.7D, 1.7TD, & 1.8 up to GLS
	(175/70/14) Extends tyre life by approx 5-8%.
o	New environmentally friendly CFC free air conditioning replaces 
	present system
o	SRI 8v model gains quicker steering rack 16:1 reduced from 18:1. 
	Improves steering response
o	Envoy and LS gain 93 spec GLS wheel trims  GLS gains Astra GLS 
	wheel trims
o	New colours 'Nautilus' and 'Jungle Green'.'  Frost Blue Lagoon
	Blue & Cosmos Blue deleted
o	New option of single disc CD player standard on Diplomat available
	on all other models
o	Blue interior trim including facia and door panels now deleted
o	Wide angle drivers mirrors standard on all models (Runniogn 
	change, not from start of MY94)

Calibra

o	Passenger door airbag stndard on Turbo and new V6 model.  
	Optional on all otehr models
o	New 2.5 V^ ECOTEC engine introduced (170PS @ 6000rpm 167.4 lb ft 
	@4200 rpm)
o	Pollen filter standard on all models
o	Digital dual info display standard on all models, includes digital 
	clock & outside temperature with ice warning instead of clock
o	New 15" 5 spoke alloy wheels standard for 16v & 2.5 V6 with 
	195/60/15 tyres
o	2.0 8v upgraded to SE specification
	- New 15" 6 spoke alloy wheels with 195/60/15 tyres replaces 14"
	  steel wheel/wheeltrim
	- New 'Inca' interior trim
	- Leather steeirng wheel & gearknob standard
o	New colour 'Nautilus' introduced
o	New environmentally friendly CFC free air conditioning replaces 
	existing system.
o	New option of single disc CD player standard on V6 and Turbo
	available on all other models
o	Illuminated vanity mirr.  Map reading lights & Passenger grab handle

Carlton

o	Limited slip differential standard on 2.6 and 3.0
o	GSI 24v no longer available
o	Blue interior trim including facia and door panels deleted
o	Colours deleted: Kings blue, Frost Blue, Flame red and Emerald Green
o	Solid colours deleted on CD, CDX, and Diplomat
o	Heated seats option deleted on CD

Frontera

o	Catalytic converter on a diesel engine fitted on 2.3 TD engine 
	(first RV diesel on the market to be fitted)
o	Frontera Sport now available with electric power pack standard
	(electric windows, adjustable & heated door mirrors with ..[sic]
o	New colours: 'Carrabic Blue' & 'Jungle Green' (Lagoon blue and 
	Emerald green deleted).

Spare Wheel policy

From 94MY all cars equipped with alloy wheels (including Frontera) will 
have steel spare wheels except on Cavalier SRI16v & 2.0 Diplomat. Optional
alloy wheels will be with four alloys.

Astravan

o	Central deadlocking standard on Merit & LS
o	Alarm, mesh upper bulkhead and new tinted glass standard on LS

Midi

o	Midi panel vans - Front nudge bar deleted, now an option
o	Midi window vans - Rear sliding windows, rubber floor covering
	and noise insulation standard.

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and when will these specs be available.

ie. what is the earliest date I can order on the scheme and get a 94 spec model?

    New factory orders will be built to 94 spec, but if the car you order
    exists in a dealership or the Vehicle Storage Centre then they'll
    probably supply it from there.
    
    - Chris -

    RE .90
    
    As mentioned in .78, you can order '94 spec cars now for delivery in
    November time if you make your order forms "94 Spec". This gets faxed
    to the dealer who will put through a factory order. This is according
    to Wadham Kenning as Reading.
    
    Royston

    I have the latest Vauxhall colour brochure and as mentioned in .90
    it has the following changes -
    
    Solid colours - Lobster Red is deleted, replaced by Aquamarina.
    
    Metallic      - Mistral Grey and Saturn are deleted.
    
    Pealescent    - Lagoon Blue and Emerald Green are replaced by the
                    similar but darker colours Nautilus and Jungle Green.
    
    I have a spare '94 spec colour brochure obtained from J.Davy in Basingstoke.
    Mail me if you want it.
    
    Royston
                  
     

You never see a Frontera fiited with these because they look so
ugly. Essentially they resemble a length of scaffolding pole, fitted
directly to the chassis hanging below the door sills, to protect
them when off roading over extra bumpy ground.

They can't be fitted as well as side steps because they are col-located!

-Mike-

    Just spoken to our 'local' Vauxhall dealer, i.e. Grimshaws in
    Manchester. The V6 Calibra is not going to be released until the
    end of October at the Motor Show. They don't have the proper 
    brochures yet, but instead they have a 'guide' with what to expect
    from the 1994 Calibras (or should that be Calibri, or Calibrae !!)
    
    The price for the V6 is �16,910 + VAT, i.e. �19,870 with Leather.
    
    This compares with �17,615 for the 16V, and �21,320 for the Turbo.
    Any guesses as to the cost of the V6 on the 'new' lease scheme. 
    How about �4,700, + �95 for air con.
    
    => 19,870 + 803 = 20,673
    => taxable amount = 7,235
    => over 2,500 miles = 4,848
    => 40% tax = cost to you of 1,939 pa. (Oh, plus your contribution).
    
    (These are for next year's tax rules, of course. This year you would
    be totally stuffed, i.e. over probably 19,250 and over 2.0l).
    
    I'll ring Car Fleet admin, and see if they'd like to give me a 
    quote !!!!
    
    On a slightly different note, I also asked about extended test drives.
    They only keep the 8V SE and Turbo in stock, they will ask Vauxhall
    to contact me direct wrt a 16V. It should be possible to deliver one
    to Warrington for a reasonable length of test drive - I'll tell you
    what they mean by that if/when Vauxhall phone me !!

    More info - just spaken unto Car Fleet. We can't get a quote at the
    moment, even though Vauxhall have a list price, because Hertz (yes -
    I said Hertz) will be calculating the residuals, maintenance costs,
    etc. No idea when there will be an answer, no way I can contact 
    Hertz. Suggested I mail Hilary Bailey to get her to put presssure 
    on Hertz to give us an answer. I know Hilary of old. She is good,
    so I'll mail her and see what response Hetz give.
    
    One interesting little titbit I gleaned. Hertz seem to be our 
    preferred 'partner'. However, it would appear that there is a
    tender underway for our business, i.e. to other lease companies !!
    Wow, this is a revelation !! 

re the Vauxhall/Hertz deal and the tendering for new fleet managers, I put 
this in the Lease 94 note in mid-july, so it's not quite a revelation!.

Richard

    It's a fair cop, guv ;-) (No such thing, I hear you cry).
    
    But - now it has come from more than one source, does the panel believe
    that there is a realistic chance of us using a non-PHH/Hertz offering,
    and thereby contributing to the �5m saving ?
    
    Colin
    
    P.S. Mr Mod - Sorry, probably the wrong place to put this note. feel
    free to move it if you think appropriate.

Incase anyone is interested I have a copy of Vauxhall 1994 list prices.


						Stuart

    re:price list - me too !
    
    Some interesting prices
    
                    March Price List      August Price List (i.e 94 Models)
    
    Calibra SE 8v        15,855                 16,445
    (non SE model 
    discontinued) 
    
    16V                  17,615                 18,195
    V6                     na                   19,870
    Turbo                21,320                 22,370
    
    Some issues arise
    
    1) Is the PCL fixed for the year, or is it about to go up
    2) Don't forget the extra tax burden this will introduce from April 94.
    
    Asfor the Calibra, I have a brochure for the 94 model. Without quoting
    it verbatim, the major changes are
    
    New 'Inca' seat trim on 8V
    New 'Lens' low-cost option seat trim on 16V (still looks naff)
    Standard passenger airbag on V6 & 4x4
    Alloys for 8V
    CD 300 stereo standard on V6, n/c option on 4x4
    Pollen filter standard on all models
    Dual display for clock and outside temp.
    Leather steering wheel on 8V
    Air con is CFC-free
    Steering ratio changed from 18:1 to 16:1 'for faster response'
    Gear linkage modified to 'improve shift comfort'
    Nautilus 2 colour available.
    Underbonnet lamp deleted
    Integral front fogs option on 8V, still standard on rest.
    
    
    Now, where's that Corsa price list gone !
    
    Colin

I would imagine the PCL will vary as new models are intorduced and old 
models are discontinued.


	ian

    When my other half's company switched to Vauxhall (Unisys) they
    republished prices every 6 months or so, and noticed a marked reduction
    over time as more cars were being shipped. Volume drives price!
    
    Paul

    
    So what's all this I hear about CC driving around in a new car...
    
    And I hear that it's a Merc !!!
    
    The new car scheme not good enough for the boss then ?

   
>    The new car scheme not good enough for the boss then ?


	Are you saying he didn't get it on a lease through the scheme?

	Heather

Heather,

What I meant was...is a Vauxhall/Saab not good enough for him ?

I would expect the MD of a company the size of Digital
UK to be entitled to a few perks.

    He's entitled to put a quote in for any car he likes, just the same as
    anybody else.
    
    Steve. 

    
    He *did* have a Jag... must've been a short lease :-)

    Obviously a jag from the take-over list.
    
    Pete

Has anyone put an order in for a Cavalier with a Passenger's Airbag and/or the
CD player ?

If you have, do you know how much each of these options was ?

Thanks,

Simon

    I'd expect an MD of a company the size of Digital UK to earn their perks;
    especially when the size of the perk (�8300) is more than the salary of
    alot of Digital employees.
    
    Angus

RE: .110

I have just been given these annual cost prices by Car Fleet for the mentioned
options on a Cavalier...

	Passenger's Airbag		�81
	CD300 Single Play CD-player	�35

Cheers,

Simon

    Hi,
    
    Three and a half weeks after the initial request via Grimshaws in
    Manchester, and two weeks after phoning Vauxhall direct 'cause I was
    fed up of waiting, I received a call from 'Ann at Vauxhall' offering me
    a valuable service !!;-)
    
    They've got a 16V Calibra for me to have for a trial. It'll be
    delivered on Wednesday. Normally, they give you a couple of days, but
    that would be the weekend, so they'll collect it on the following
    Monday. Should give me some time to check it out. 
    
    Anything anyone wants me to look for, like a reason not to have one ?!
    
    Colin

    Has anyone noticed the Cavalier Crash Dummies advert about half way
    thru', the words 'ABS Active' flash on the screen, then 2 or three
    frames later, one Cavalier smashes into the back of another!
    (Admittedly, the wheels don't lock up but that sort of ABS can be added
    to a car quite simply by clipping the brake pipes with a pair of wire
    cutters :-)
    
    Andy

ABS doesn't stop you hitting things, all it is supposed to do is allow you to
steer whilst braking.