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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2108.0. "fog lamps or spot lamps?" by LARVAE::BALDOCK_I (I pity Inanimate Objects :-() Thu Jun 24 1993 17:41

    Does an informed noter know how to tell the difference between a
    driving or spot lamp and a fog lamp?  I know about beam patterns being
    wider on fogs and just giving close-range illumination, but is there an
    identifying mark on the lens that states what it is?  
    
    I bought two small rectangular driving lamps recently, but they seem to
    have very poor distance coverage, and quite wide beam.  
    
    I'm wondering if they were fog lamps in the wrong box.
    
    
    Ian
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2108.1what type of car?OASS::FLASHE::BURDEN_DThis is a Studebaker YearThu Jun 24 1993 17:5910
  If you drive a BMW then they're fog lamps....:-)
  
  The flutes on the lens of the fog lamps will pretty much be straight up
  and down all the way across the face.  A driving lamp will have varying
  flutes on the lense in order to focus the light in different patterns.
  
  I don't believe there will be anything on the lense saying 'Fog' or
  'Driving' to identify it.
  
  Dave
2108.2artificial additivesLARVAE::BALDOCK_II pity Inanimate Objects :-(Thu Jun 24 1993 18:067
    They tend to have those 'E' numbers (Monosodium Glutamate :-) stamped
    on the lens and I wondered if it the number differed for the type of
    lens or if it was a standard approval number or what.  I will check the
    flutes on the lens...
    
    Ian
    
2108.3furry diceLARVAE::BALDOCK_II pity Inanimate Objects :-(Thu Jun 24 1993 18:077
    Oh and type of car, that's irrelevant; they're add on "Raydot" driving
    lamps from my local boy racer shop.
    
    
    
    Ian
    
2108.4Trade descriptions Act.CMOTEC::JASPERFri Jun 25 1993 14:273
    Take'em back if they are not what they're supposed to be.
    
    Tony.
2108.5You can be "done" for using them!CMOTEC::POWELLNostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?Mon Jun 28 1993 13:4015
	Not widely known, but it is specifically against the law to use any
lamp (driving, fog or spot) that is mounted with its' centre less than 24"
from the ground unless you are driving in fog or falling snow.  Hence the 
old "Frog-eyed" Austin-Healey Sprite!  I don't know which laws, probably
the "Construction and Use" of one year or another.

	To drive around after dark, one could easily be fooled into thinking 
that it is OK, by the number of people who go around with their "under-bumper"
lamps on!

	Please don't be another one who contributes to the dazzle problem on
the roads.

				Malcolm.
2108.6WIZZER::FISCHERI can always sleep standing upMon Jun 28 1993 15:197
How high are a Calibra's headlamps? Most cars with front
ends as low as that have popups.

Has anyone got a Calibra and a tape measure handy?


	Ian
2108.7BAHTAT::DODDTue Jun 29 1993 09:285
    Roughly
    
    24" to the bottom, 26" to the top.
    
    Andrew
2108.8The FrogGUCCI::BBELLThu Jul 08 1993 20:575
    Re: .5    I think the frog-eyed Sprite was originally intended to have
    retracting headlamps and the additional cost squashed that idea so they
    remained always up.
    
    Bob
2108.9PLAYER::BROWNLThe match has gone outFri Jul 09 1993 09:435
    .8 is spot on, it was cost, and nothing more that squashed the idea of
    "Elan-type" headlights. There was also an idea to use as many parts
    from existing Austins as possible.
    
    Laurie.
2108.10going backwardsOASS::BURDEN_DThis is a Studebaker YearFri Jul 09 1993 15:284
Another agreement for .8 - Now you can buy a conversion kit for the Mazda Miata
(MX-5) that will replace the retractable headlights with frogeye type lights!

Dave
2108.1124" ?LARVAE::BALDOCK_II pity Inanimate Objects :-(Mon Jul 12 1993 12:1615
    .5 : They're fitted in the bumper, I shall take a tape measure to them
    tonight and check their height.  I wasn't aware of the 24" law, but I
    always avoid dazzling; I only tend to use them late at night on very
    quiet (and unlit) roads when it's nice to see more than a few feet in
    front of me.
    
    Though at present, they don't help much because of the beam pattern,
    and probably the angle they're mounted at.  Because of this, the
    possibility of dazzling anyone is very small anyway.
    
    If they're below 24" I'll change them for fogs and fit the current ones
    somewhere else.
    
    Ian