Conference terri::cars_uk

What does it do ?

Fitting an Ecoflow allows you to save money on fuel and reduce harmful
emissions.


How does it work ?

It alters the ionic behaviour of hydrogen atoms in the fuel by applying a 
massive gap flux density. Once conditioned, the hydrocarbons flow more evenly 
and bond more readily with the carbon and the oxygen in the in-coming air 
resulting in a more efficient and cleaner combustion. This in turn produces 
more power - power that is usually lost.


Can it damage the engine ?

No, it can only improve the performance of your engine and prolong its life. It
does not necessitate altering or adjusting any part of your engine and is not
therefore a "material change" in the context of vehicle manufacturers'
warranties.


Savings

Fitting an Ecoflow will save 5%-20% of your petrol or diesel costs.


The Environment

Fitting an Ecoflow can reduce your vehicle's emissions by as much as 66% carbon
monoxide and 50% hydrocarbons.


Fitting

Simply strap the Ecoflow to the fuel line using the ties provided. It may be
removed when you change your vehicle and is maintenance free.


Guarantee

It carries a full 60 day money back guarantee and a lifetime guarantee on the
unit's magnetic properties.
    

What independent bodies have tested and approved it? If it's just a magnet, why
does it cost �38 plus VAT?

Dave.

    As far as I am concerned, this just *has* to be a gimmick !!!
    
    There appear to be all sorts of devices that can improve your
    vehicles performance/consumption/dislike for lead...
    
    If they were so effective, why don't the manufacturers use them ?
    
    J.R.

    
    
    If I fit two can I save 10-40% on my fuel bills and cut emmissions to
    0%..........or perhaps three? 8*)

re .1

> How does it work ?
>
> It alters the ionic behaviour of hydrogen atoms in the fuel by applying a 
> massive gap flux density. Once conditioned, the hydrocarbons flow more evenly 
> and bond more readily with the carbon and the oxygen in the in-coming air 
> resulting in a more efficient and cleaner combustion. This in turn produces 
> more power - power that is usually lost.


The hydrogen atoms in the fuel are unlikely to be affected by the sort of magnet
you can strap onto the fuel line. The rest of the statements are pure 
gobbledegook.

But then what do I know, I'm only a chemist.

Dave

>> It alters the ionic behaviour of hydrogen atoms in the fuel by applying a 
>> massive gap flux density. Once conditioned, the hydrocarbons flow more evenly 
>> and bond more readily with the carbon and the oxygen in the in-coming air 
>> resulting in a more efficient and cleaner combustion. This in turn produces 
>> more power - power that is usually lost.
    
    There are no ions in hydrocarbon fuel. Any magnetic that could be
    strapped onto the fuel line could hardly be described as having 
    "massive flux". Have you seen an NMR machine?
    Having said that the device may have an effect - not the one described
    - and if it really is 60 days and money back I welcome you performing a
    scientific experiment.
    
    What would I know I'm only a chemist.
    
    Andrew

    Landrover Owner Magazine did a report on several of these devices,
    including Ecoflow. Their conclusion was that it does work to some
    extent. They did however give a warning on using more than one device. 
    They found that multiple devices can in fact conteract each other and
    even make things worse.
    
    When I was running on four star petrol I purchased a device called fuel
    cat. This is of the same nature as Carbon Flo (another note in here).
    Within a short time I was using slightly less fuel and the engine was
    starting and running better.
    
    After consultation with Landrover I changed to unleaded fuel, I have a
    low compression engine that was designed to run on low octane fuel
    [ read here almost water :-) ] I am now getting about 20 - 30 miles per
    tankfull more, a better top speed and much better running.
    
    If anyone is interested I can find the reports and photocopy them.
    
    Simon

    Diesel Car did a test of a fuel-line magnetic jobby recently (can't
    remember what it was called).  They couldn't be sure whether there was
    any effect on fuel economy, but the car was smoother-running, had more
    low-end grunt, and was less smokey.
    
    Richard
    

    There is a letter in the Feb. issue of Landrover Owner saying his
    cousin got a 25% improvement in economy in his Renault Traffic diesel.
    I have a copy here in G2 if anyone wants to take a look.
    
    Simon

    Being neither a scientist nor a witchdoctor but just averagely
    sceptical I, sofar, not convinced about any claim of this sort.
    
    Logic says that, if this is so effective at least some manufactutars
    should have tried it and done something with the results. I tend to
    think they have and chucked it.
    Usually the effect of consious driving is responsible for the reported 
    increase "efficiency". So no "ceterus paribus" at all and therefore
    worth nothing!
    
    The chemist in here states that fluxing won't have much effect on the
    fuel so...
    Also, what effect does ionisation and or fluxing have on the combustion
    process? In other words how does it WORK.
    
    Peter

    Peter's point is intersting about the the effect of consious driving is
    responsible for the reported improvement. How often would Mr Average 
    perform a really valid test to check what consumption he was getting 
    in the first place? In most cases its "well it gives about 29
    miles/gall etc", and most likely a +/- 10% margin at best and at worse 
    its a guess. So then to test a fuel improvement device would be a bit
    pointless unless you knew exactly what it was to start with, and worse
    if you drove differently with the device.
    Why not get your car running correctly to start with, ie correct tyre
    pressure, correct engine temp, correctly set tappets, ig timimng, plugs, 
    carb/injection, clean air filter, no rubbing brakes, stearing aligned 
    correctly, correct fuel, run with only half or quarter tank full of fuel 
    if possible, keep car empty as possible, keep it clean (dosn't help much
    but looks better), don't leave high current devices on for longer than 
    needed (eg 10 amp device consumes 120 watts = .16 HP) eg heated rear
    window, etc. Then why not drive with economy in mind most likely would
    improve things.  Then when you have performed all this, and run for a
    month or so to get the true MPG and then bolt on the so called
    improvement and give it a valid test. 
    As with most of these "wonder" devices if they did work the motor
    manufacturers would use them, eg electonic ignition.
    So give it a good test and publish the results.
    
    	A typical sceptic,
    	Mike
    

>                       <<< Note 2010.11 by ROCKS::CAMP >>>
>                                 -< Test it! >-
    
    
    As I said in .0, I intend to - in fact it arrived today so I'll be able
    to give you my findings in a couple of weeks.
    
    I'll be using the on-board computer to give me the results. Although
    these figures may be inaccurate, they will be inaccurate consistently and
    therefore relevant. According to the computer, I have achieved 35.2 mpg
    over the last 60 hours / 2000+ miles of varied driving conditions.
    
    Terry ( also sceptical, but open-minded enough to try it )

    Been thinking....(yep!)
    
    If this magnetising sceme is in any way logical then the following
    simplistic approach should work as well:
    
    - Get two old bicycle dynamo's, get the magnet out and halve this.
    - Tie-wrap one around the fuel line
    - Tie the other, "fluxing" the opposite way, around the inlet duct.
                                                  
    All the fuel thingies get positivised and all the air thingies get
    negativised, or vice versa. Positives attract to negatives, creating a
    big bang and presto! Better fuel economy......sounds good h�h? Cheap
    too!
    
    Peter

    
    	Hi,
    		there is another device on the market called Posivlow,again
    	just a big,very expensive magnet...sixty pounds and a 90-day money back
    	guarantee etc...
    
    		I am trying it on my Golf 1.9 CLTD (Umwelt).First
    impressions are a smoother,faster response (the VW engine is quite
    harsh at the best of times) No discernable fuel consumption increase
    yet...
    
    		Thing that puts me off is the hype/pyramid selling that
    goes with it...
    
    				Mick 7781 1023

re.14:

>Thing that puts me off is the hype/pyramid selling that goes with it...

Pyramid selling is illegal. I you sure it's not being distributed through
"Network Marketing" or "Multi-Level Marketing"?

Helpfully,
Dave.

    Just received the latest edition of Performance Car. In the questions
    and answers bit somebody has written in asking about the 'Posivlow'
    thing, i.e. does it work ?.
    
    The answer basically states what has already been said, that is, 'if
    these things are so good, why aren't motor manufacturers fitting
    them?'. Anyway, some chap from Manchester Uni. wrote an article for New
    Scientist saying 'There's no technological basis for a magnet having an
    effect. You might as well wrap a dead chicken round the fuel pipe for
    all the difference it would make.'
    
    So I'm off to Tesco's to find a decent looking chicken !!!!
    
    Dave.
    

re.16:

The magnets do have a definite advantage over the chicken - they don't smell.

Dave.

    re .17:
    
    Magnets might not smell, but the chicken is cheaper !.
    
    Dave.
    

    a rather natty song by Pearl Jam oui ?

    I've just seen this device advertised locally.
    
    re .12 - Do we assume it had no effect?