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1662.1 | | PERKY::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue Jan 21 1992 13:25 | 26 |
| >> it even passed it's MOT first time. BUT, I'm wondering if......
If the headlamp adjustment is wrong, it *should* have been spotted
as part of the MOT test.
>> a) I have to fit new headlamps ??
>> b) I could swap the headlamps over (nearside becomes offside,
>> offside becomes nearside) ??
I would expect you should need to fit new headlamps. I had to when
I brought my Lancia into the country from Germany. The problem is
that the lens design should favour the 'drivers' side, to avoid
dazzling oncoming traffic.
I guess that if adjusted noticeably, it would be possible to avoid the
light going over to the right, but that would result in [theoretically]
worse illumination in the forward position. In practice, this may not be
a problem. Seeing as how the lamps are mounted higher up on this
vehicle, in comparison to your average car, the headlamp aim will
appear different anyhow (I know the lamps on the Heep seem really
good, even though they are not high power bulbs).
As it is, if you are confident that you aren't dazzling other drivers
(you will soon be 'informed' if you are), then don't change lamps yet...
J.R.
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1662.2 | Up ,against | SUBURB::JASPERT | | Tue Jan 21 1992 13:29 | 23 |
| If the headlamps are anything like UK headlamps, then they will throw a
beam at eye-level on the pedestrian-side of the road. For your truck, I
would assume that your headlamps will point at the eyes of oncoming
drivers now that you've changed to driving on the left (I hope ;^) ).
I'm surprised that it's passed the MOT though. A fast & dirty test
would be to examine the beam as it falls on the garage door at night.
This should give you an idea of the beam pattern, if there are raised
areas to the right of the pattern then action is necessary. Swapping
the headlights around will not fix it. The cheap solution is to fit
beam deflectors, widely available & cost about 3 pounds. These are
designed for RHD cars being used in LHD countries, I don't know how
effective they will be for a LHD in a RHD country.
If they dont work it's only cost 3 quid !
I have frequently used black tape to mask the offending area of the
headlamp, once again use the garage door as a target.
Also I'm sure that some nice noter could bring a set back from France
for you...
Tony.
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1662.3 | UK Beam deflectors will not work | PLAYER::WINPENNY | | Tue Jan 21 1992 14:45 | 16 |
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Driving on mainland Europe you see that most of the British cars have
beam deflectors or some form of masking to prevent dazzling oncoming
traffic.
However when driving in England the opposite is true. I can never (not
too great a generalisation) recall seeing a foreign (non-british) car
equipped with such things. Consideration to other drivers is not high
on the list of attributes of foreign drivers.
I would like to be corrected. Open invitation.
As to availability of beam deflectors, probably nil.
Chris
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1662.4 | Cant you buy something from Halfords ? | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Tue Jan 21 1992 14:55 | 9 |
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On/in the car I have there is an electric switch which can be used to
change the level of the headlamps, this is mainly for changing the set
up under different loads, but can also be used when crossing frontiers
ie UK/Europe, so as not to blind oncoming traffic.
Despite this little switch however, I still have to put up with a tacky
cheap interior ;-(
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1662.5 | Flip'em over | NEWOA::MACMILLAN | So many V****s, so little time | Tue Jan 21 1992 15:29 | 6 |
| re: beam deflectors
What about turning the beam deflectors over and sticking them on the
other way round - should bend the beam the other way I guess.
Rob
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1662.6 | | FORTY2::PALKA | | Tue Jan 21 1992 18:37 | 39 |
| re .4
Your headlamp adjuster probably tilts the beams up and down. This is
not really adequate.
The problem is that the beam when seen in cross section looks like this
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I.e. light shines below the horizontal only on the left, but to the
right it can shine above the horizontal as well - the further to the
right the higher the beam. If you just lower the beam you will get
lights that reach far enough, yet can still dazzle. You have to
eliminate just the part of the beam that is above the horizontal on the
right (and preferably put some light into the upper left side)
This can be done in a number of ways.
- replacing the headlamp lens or headlamp lens and bulb holder.
- rotating the bulb (or the entire headlamp) about its axis
(Only works if the headlamp lens is designed to this)
- adding an external beam deflector designed for your headlamp lens
(using one designed to convert UK vehicles for europe wont work).
- blocking off part of the headlamp lens (the part through which
the light goes to reach the upper right - this could be the upper
right or lower left parts depending on lens design).
The best way is to replace the headlamp lens (and bulb holder). If you
have sealed beam units this should be no problem. If not you could try
to get UK spec headlamp parts (are Troopers inported into the UK ?).
Andrew
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1662.7 | New headlamps ordered | AYOV20::RDODD | | Thu Jan 23 1992 11:32 | 19 |
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Well, thanks for all the advice.
I've checked the beam(s) on the back of the side yard gate and the
beams sure don't look like they're pointing over to the right (believe
me). They look as if they're more or less pointing straight out, ie; no
signs of bias to either the right or the left.
I've also checked out the use of deflectors. My neighbour in the
next cube has used them for his excursions to the continent. Of course,
the triangular pattern on the headlamps with which he was familiar
just couldn't be found.
Phoned the nearest main dealer today and ordered a pair of units,
two week delivery. Once fitted, if I see any difference, I'll let you
know.
RR
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1662.8 | Flat dipping headlights | JANUS::EDWARDS | Brian Edwards, Reading, UK | Wed Jan 29 1992 13:38 | 6 |
| US spec headlamps normally have a symmetric dip beam as opposed to the
asymmetric dip of UK and European units. Since the dip beam is flat, so
that there is no peak to the offside they will pass the UK MOT test so
long as they are correctly aligned.
Brian
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1662.9 | Lights conversion - new BMW? | LISVAX::GRAY | | Mon Feb 15 1993 07:28 | 22 |
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This seems like the closest topic..........
Anyone done the black sticky tape job on a new BMW 3 series yet?
I'll be driving to the UK next month (in my LHD BMW) and so I asked my
mother to pick up the correct Lucas black stickies from Halfords
(planning to put them on the opposite sides) and they gave her a
"Universal" kit which on closer inspection specifically excluded the
new BMW. The problem is that I can't see the usual marking on the
lens that most cars have. These ones have a rectangular lens and then a
pair of round lights behind (BMW have those high intensity lights that
look like there's a hole in the middle of the reflector).
I'd hate to be the subject of comments from the noters (this guy in a
BMW with his headlights pointing the wrong way.... and lo and behold he
turned into DEC Park!)
Comments/suggestions? I suppose I could resort to experimenting with
lights pointed at the wall and a roll of insulation tape.
Rgds John
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1662.10 | | UTROP1::SIMPSON_D | I *hate* not breathing! | Mon Feb 15 1993 08:36 | 3 |
| Gee, the things you learn. If anyone has an answer for .9 then I'd
like to hear it too. I plan on taking my current series LHD BMW 318 to
the UK soon.
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1662.11 | | AEOEN1::MATTHEWS | M&M Enterprises, the CATCH 22 | Mon Feb 15 1993 09:04 | 9 |
| I remember someone telling me that with the later old model 3-series BMWs
(325i etc etc) you could do something with the bulb to make it point the
other way ... you turn the bulb over, or put it in on the side, or somesuch.
Anyway, this was all explained in the owners hand book.
This was for the UK model, so perhaps BMW assume that there is more of
a need for this for UK vehicles driving on mainland Europe, than the
other way around, but it might be worth checking.
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1662.12 | | SAC::HAYCOX_I | Ian | Mon Feb 15 1993 09:26 | 7 |
| I have also been told that BMW will lend you a set of lights for
driving abroad. I assume this includes fitting.
It may be worth inquiring at your local BMW garage to see if the
provide the same service for those coming to the UK.
Ian.
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1662.13 | | UTROP1::SIMPSON_D | I *hate* not breathing! | Mon Feb 15 1993 10:16 | 18 |
| re .11
Ah, yes, RTFM. :-) Fortunately my Owner's Manual is in English. Let's
see...
"'Resetting Headlight Beams for left/right rule of the road'
When entering a country in which the traffic drives on the other side
of the road:
Have the necessary adjustment work carried out beforehand by a BMW
service station."
p. 110
OK. But I live in the Netherlands and don't fancy driving to Calais
with dodgy lights. I wonder if I would be better off having it done in
Dover, and how much it would cost?
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1662.14 | Como vai os faroies no outro lado? | LISVAX::GRAY | | Mon Feb 15 1993 10:42 | 9 |
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OK who's going to ask an English speaking BMW mechanic how to do this.
My Portuguese does not extend to such technical discussion (and I'm not
sure the average Portuguese mechanic, BMW trained or not, would tell me
much anyway). I'll have to drive from Lisbon to Santander, so I don't
plan to change them before leaving.
A bottle of Vinho Verde for the right answer!
John
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1662.15 | | AEOEN1::MATTHEWS | M&M Enterprises, the CATCH 22 | Mon Feb 15 1993 10:45 | 12 |
| Why not phone BMW and ask them what this adjustment is exactly.
If I understand it correctly, the side of the road the beam
normally points at is controlled by the pattern in the head
light glass itself. For LHD cars, this points the beam down and
to the right. Fine adjustment of up/down and centre/right is
possible, but right/left is unlikely.
So, what do they mean by adjustment, replacement ?
Unless of course, the direction is controlled by the bulb itself
and not the headlight glass ...
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1662.16 | | UTROP1::SIMPSON_D | I *hate* not breathing! | Mon Feb 15 1993 11:18 | 8 |
| I just rang my BMW dealer. It's a ten minute job which I can probably
do myself, although I'm going to get them to show me because his
description on the phone wasn't the clearest. Basically, at the back
of the headlamp unit there are three screws which need loosening, some
part of the back of the unit where the bulb is is rotated
appropriately, and the screws tightened again.
Does this qualify me for the Portugese plonk?
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1662.17 | | AEOEN1::MATTHEWS | M&M Enterprises, the CATCH 22 | Mon Feb 15 1993 11:46 | 2 |
| It would still be interesting to know exactly how it works ... so
when you've done it, why not report back ...
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1662.18 | !@��%%^%$ foreigners! | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Mon Feb 15 1993 12:29 | 16 |
| This brings up an interesting pet hate of mine!.
We in the UK religously fit these deflectors and some even paint their
lights yellow for france (allthough it's not a legal requirement as
white loghts are legal in france thanks to the EEC).
However, when I was living in Holland I couldn't for the life of me
find anything similar for driving in the UK. Seems the continentals are
less zealous about not blinding us Brits when they come over.
I think it's time we got our own back on the french for banning out
lamb and started turning away all cars that have not converted their
headlights. :-)
Richard
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1662.19 | | KERNEL::MCGOWAN | | Mon Feb 15 1993 13:00 | 6 |
| On the old shape 3 series, you just undo 3 butterfly nuts holding each
lamp reflector in position, then swivel the refelctor through about 30
degrees, the do up the butterfly nuts again. I'd be surprised if the
new cars are more difficult than that.
pete
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1662.20 | Hicksville Gazette | PEKING::SMITHRW | Err..... | Mon Feb 15 1993 13:20 | 23 |
| From a continental perspective, I suspect, driving in the UK is very
much a minority pursuit. If you were a native of Paris or Bonn, would
you go to Reading for your hols without a seriously good reason?
Imagine the hassle of passports, insurance, ferry crossings, driving on
the wrong side of the road, leaving the poodle with neighbours, horrid
weather, horrid food, horrid people.... Wouldn't it be much less
stress-inducing and complicated to load everybody into the car, fill
the tank, and zip down to the Alps/South of France/Tuscany, to arrive
the same day you left, with nobody feeling seasick....? I know what
I'd go for.
So there aren't many going to want to swap headlight settings. These
few will be proportionately less well catered for. How many drivers on
the continent are AWARE that they need a headlight conversion for the
UK?
Maybe it's time for the UK to swap sides. It's been done before....
(Stir, stir, stir.....8*))
Richard
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1662.21 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Major 1, New Statesman 0 | Mon Feb 15 1993 13:25 | 11 |
| RE: <<< Note 1662.18 by TIMMII::RDAVIES "An expert Amateur" >>>
� I think it's time we got our own back on the french for banning out
� lamb and started turning away all cars that have not converted their
� headlights. :-)
I've been doing my bit. I've had British registered cars over here for
almost 7 years with no deflectors fitted. It's too much effort to keep
changing them.
Laurie.
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1662.22 | Faulty lights. | VANGA::KERRELL | ('O^O') | Mon Feb 15 1993 13:52 | 4 |
| I was once accosted by a German at Dover who insisted on telling me that the
Lucas sticky things were not good enough etc.... I resisted mentioning the war.
Dave.
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1662.23 | | LISVAX::GRAY | | Mon Feb 15 1993 13:56 | 9 |
| Re: 16 - Portuguese plonk delivery is Lisbon or DEC Park Reading - when
you give us the detailed procedure!
Re: 19 - This is probably the procedure if you are referring to the
last year? of the old 3 series since my '89 325 had normal lights and I
used black stickies. This rotating procedure must be for the ones with
unusual reflectors.
Rgds John
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1662.24 | Simple procedure? - no stickies required | LISVAX::GRAY | | Tue Feb 16 1993 08:02 | 10 |
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19 has the answer. Hiding on a back page of the handbook, I found a
simple procedure (apparently simple since I could understand the
Portuguese!).
Remove the cover from the rear of the headlight
Loosen 3 Philips screws in slots on the rear of the headlight
Twist the headlight to the extent allowed by the slots
Re-tighten the screws
Rgds John
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1662.25 | | AEOEN1::MATTHEWS | M&M Enterprises, the CATCH 22 | Tue Feb 16 1993 13:35 | 1 |
| That's the procedure, but how does it work exactly ?
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1662.26 | | FORTY2::PALKA | | Tue Feb 16 1993 14:39 | 9 |
| This seems to be very like the procedure in my old Renault 6.
The beam cut-off is determined by a mask inside the bulb. This blocks
light from some portion of the dipped beam filament. By rotating the
bulb you move the mask so that it blocks light which would end up just
above horizontal on the left, and unblocks light which would end up
just above horizontal on the right.
Andrew
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1662.27 | Make sure you try it first! | SUBURB::DUCEP | Slowly we change the world..... | Thu Feb 18 1993 18:16 | 8 |
| Tried to do this on my new 5 series in Dover (after being told by BMW
garage how easy it was) ..... 1 screw in each
headlight was not accessible, so failed to adjust ...
nearly missed the boat! Used the headlight adjustment as emergency
(turned the headlights right down). In using
mostly motorways nobody flashed me!
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1662.28 | Can't even see 'em! | LISVAX::GRAY | | Mon Feb 22 1993 07:23 | 7 |
| Thanks Peter, I tried last night. All 3 screws are impossible to see and
the bottom one has no room for a normal screwdriver.
I guess I'll pull in at the first BMW dealer I see in the UK. I suspect
with a full car load, those height adjusters won't be enough.
Rgds John
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