Conference terri::cars_uk

    
    
    It costs a fiver to have points removed of your lisence
    and i think you can have them removed after 3 yrs.
    
    
    
    Peter.

Peter,

Thanks for the info'.

>    and i think you can have them removed after 3 yrs.
    
For most offences the points cease to count after 3 years from the date of 
offence but they cannot be removed until 4 years from the date of conviction.

Nigel.

    
    <RANT ON>
    
    I didn't know the sods charged you for taking points off!!!, as well as
    charging you 32 pounds for the inconvenience of putting them on!!!
    
    <RANT OFF>
    
    Matt.  (Who's waiting another 2 years before he can have his 3 points
    	    removed!)

    	Its costs �5 to have the points removed, but getting the address
        changed is free, and if the points are out of date they get taken
        off as well. 
    
        To avoid paying the cost, either get the address changed to someone
        you known and then change it back again. Or move house.
    
    	Ian.

re.3:

Well it must cost money to administer the points system thus it seems just
that those who break the law pay.

/Dave.

    
    That's good because I can always change my address to where my
    parents live for a while.
    
    As for .5 I agree we have to pay if we break the law but I've payed and
    I really don't see why I should pay again, however small the fee.
    
    Matt.

    re .2
    
    So after 3 years points cease to count, why do you have to wait
    another 1 to get them removed?
    
    Do you have to declare points (just) > 3 years to insurance companys?
    
    ..Craig
    

�    As for .5 I agree we have to pay if we break the law but I've payed and
�    I really don't see why I should pay again, however small the fee.
    
    I think it reasonable that you should pay, since there is no real
    reason for you to get a 'clean' copy of your licence.  You do not
    need to declare old offences to insurance companies etc., so if
    you would like to have a license without your 'history' printed
    on it, why shouldn't you pay to get this done.
    
    If you are changing address, then of course DVLC will send you an
    updated licence.  If your offences are out of date, then they will
    leave them off of the new copy.
    
    If you wish to be awkward enough to frig about with 'false' addresses
    to save a fiver then go ahead.  The amount of time you spend with the
    license being sent off and returned seems to be a waste.  I would
    think it better to pay your five quid and get it done in one go,
    without bothering with the hassle.
    
    J.R.

    Isn't it an offence not to have an uptodate address on your licence??
    
    �400 fine - I think!!
    
    Arf.

 >   If you wish to be awkward enough to frig about with 'false' addresses
 >   to save a fiver then go ahead.
    
    
    Ummm, I never mentioned false addresses, the address I said I would
    give is a perfectly valid address for me to live at because I am a
    student and I don't own a house, and find myself moving every year or
    so anyway.
    
    I should point out that when I got my points I felt that the Police
    were being a little unfair, and I still do, so I feel some resentment in
    having to pay when they decided to put points on my licence in the first 
    place.
    
    Matt.
    

�    Ummm, I never mentioned false addresses, the address I said I would
    
    This is why a put the word in quotes, seeing as how it isn't strictly
    correct or incorrect.  You can quote it as a valid address, but then
    again if you are living elsewhere for any time, it becomes invalid.
    I guess there are strict legal definitions for this, but I dunno.
    
    As for feeling aggrieved at the cost, I can see your point, but I also
    see why it is fair that DVLC should charge something for the extra
    effort (some effort ?) since it is only a 'cosmetic' issue.  Albeit
    an issue which you are entitled to feel strongly about.
    
    'Nuff said on this subject from me.
    
    J.R. (who has got an out-of-date entry on his licence still)

The address only needs to be one where you can be reached via.  You do not
have to live there.

Back to the question of removing expired points.  As they have expired they
don't have any meaning so why bother to pay to have them deleted?

jb

    Craig

>    Do you have to declare points (just) > 3 years to insurance companys?
 
I think you have to answer all questions on an insurance request form honestly
eg even if they ask for the record over the last 5 or 10 years.

Nigel.    
    

    
    You pay a fine for the offence you have committed, not to have the
    points put on. So I think it is fair to have to pay to take them off.
    
    Seeing as how the points no longer count and the offence has in effect
    been nulled you don't have to tell insurance companies, however it may
    depend on the seriousness of the offence.
    
    If they ask to many general questions then go to another insurer.
    
    Chris.

>Back to the question of removing expired points.  As they have expired they
>don't have any meaning so why bother to pay to have them deleted?
>
>jb
    
    In theory, they don't have any meaning. But in practice, anyone who
    wants to see your license might hold it against you. (Not You in
    particular, You as in ONE!)
    
    A bit like, um, (clambering for an analogy here), HIV testing,
    'striking' evidence from court records  (the jury remembers). I think
    maybe some car hire companies might get sniffy if they see points on
    your license, out of date or not. 

    An ex-colleague crashed his car onece. And then started a claim he had
    a speeding conviction from about five years before but never had them
    removed. When going through the claim the insurance company asked to
    see his license he sent a photocopy off to them. They replied he had to
    pay himself as he had lied on his initial application form. The
    question on the form was "Did he have a clean license ?"
    
    He had no valid points but his license was in fact "dirty" if I was you
    I'd pay the five pounds just in case this comes in as insurance will do
    almost anything to not pay out. But you bet they will cancel your
    no-claims ;-)
    
    			Chris

    
    I would rather have a green licence with points for a relatively minor
    offence for the world to see rather than a pink one which has obviously
    been obtained to hide something.
    
    I suppose this doesn't apply to those of you who have had pink licences
    from birth.
    
    Did all this really start from somebody complaining about spending a
    fiver?
    
    Chris.
          

        
    >>
    offence for the world to see rather than a pink one which has obviously
    been obtained to hide something.
    >>
    
    Not necessarily so.... my licence has been changed several times for
    change of name/adddress, and most recently to add another catagory when
    I passed my motorbike test. (The change of name, before anyone asks who 
    I'm hiding from, was when I got married :-)   ) 

    
    Just seen .16
    
    I though they allowed you one speeding offence. (Not to be confused
    with careless driving)
    
    I wouldn't put it past an insurance company trying this but I can't
    honestly see them winning. Did he fight or accept it?
    
    Chris.
    

    
    .18
    
    Sorry I forgot the quotes round "obviously"
    
    Chris

                    <<< Note 1623.19 by PLAYER::WINPENNY >>>
       -< Do insurance companies have insurance against losing a claim >-

    
    Just seen .16
    
    I though they allowed you one speeding offence. (Not to be confused
    with careless driving)
    
Oh I don't know ...    

    

>       -< Do insurance companies have insurance against losing a claim >-

Yes. It's called re-insurance and is done in bulk.

    
    Here's another thing, did you know that you get 3 points per bald tyre
    if the Police catch you driving on it/them?
    
    By all accounts it's a pretty stiff fine as well.
    
    Matt.

    RE:.23
    
    Yes I did, they can also give you another 3 points for having an
    illegal spare (If you carry it, you obviously intend to use it), you
    can also be nicked for having tyres at incorrect pressures as this
    affects it's roadworthyness.
    
    Also with the cold weather upon us, how many of you have recently
    checked your pressures?, I had a shock this morning when checking mine,
    the nearest I got to the correct pressure was 6lbs on the flat side!!
    
    Regarding the License stuff, if you are asked to show your license you
    only have to show it inside the wallet, I know the Police are not
    entitled to take it out of it's wallet, I presume this extends to the
    insurance companies as well.
    
    Ian...

    I don't wish to spoil the illusion but, when you change address, the
    DVLC do NOT remove evidence of old offences automatically. You must
    always pay the fee! I had a speeding offence dating back to 1976 and
    when I moved to Newbury I sent my license off to have the address
    changed. (I must admit I was hoping that they would remove the expired
    endorsement as well). It returned with the new address and the
    endorsement still there. The timing was endorsement 1976, new license
    1982.
    Merry pointless Christmas
    J

    � I don't wish to spoil the illusion but, when you change address, the
    � DVLC do NOT remove evidence of old offences automatically. You must
    � always pay the fee! ...
    
    The situation (from my experience) is you only have to SEND the fee,
    you don't actually PAY it!!
    
    I moved house and sent my licence off requesting an address change AND
    removal of the old points. They returned the licence with a note saying
    I would have to pay a fee to get the points removed.
    
    I moved again a year later, and this time sent the fee. I got back both
    a clean licence and my uncashed cheque!
    
    Ian.

you can tell the panto season has arrived, can't you?

It must have changed a few years ago - I got a replacement license when
mine went up in smoke im the Crescent, and again when I moved.

I had en endorsement <4 years old at the fire; it stayed on; it went off
when I moved, and got a new license for free.

Peter.

    re .25
    
    I don't wish to spoil the illusion, but they _DO_..!!!
    
    I had endorsements for a bald tyre, (maybe the _type_ of endorsement
    makes a difference..???), which had "expired" on my licence, when I
    moved, the licence came back with new address and points removed...
    
    

>>    I had endorsements for a bald tyre, (maybe the _type_ of endorsement
>>    makes a difference..???), which had "expired" on my licence, when I
    
    I seem to recall something about D+D offences not being removed
    from your licence, even after 'expiry'.  Anyone know if that's right ?
    
    J.R.

>>    I seem to recall something about D+D offences not being removed
>>    from your licence, even after 'expiry'.  Anyone know if that's right ?
    
    All endorsements remain on your licence for an extra year.  This is so
    that courts will know your previous record if you're hauled up for an
    offence commited whilst an existing endorsement is valid, but your case
    comes up after the original endorsement expires.
    
    D+D stays for 11 years, valid for 10 and there for another year for
    court use only.  

Re. a few earlier.

I've now had a reply from the DVLC, the return of my old licence, cheque etc.
and a letter saying that I have to complete form D1 (a copy was enclosed) and 
return it with a cheque for �5.00 payable to the DoT.

Don't remember having to do a form last time.

Oh well....

Nigel.

    I had a UK licence 15 years ago, I think it was till the year 199dot,
    and i moved to Ireland and subsequently lost it, can anyone give me the
    number and address of the DVLC and let me know the cost of replacing
    it? p.s. is it a lot of hassle?
    pps by lost it i mean mislaid not "had it lifted by the Bill"
    

Re: .32

DVLC 
SWANSEA


Should find them.  Their address isn't much more than that.
You probably have to fill out a form of some sort (Post Office) and send them
a cheque to pay for the replacement.

Re: .32

> DVLC 
> SWANSEA
SA99 1BN is the post code

> You probably have to fill out a form of some sort (Post Office) and send them
> a cheque to pay for the replacement.

Form D1, the same as I had to use is the one I think and it includes details 
of costs etc. Should be available from Post Offices.

Nigel.