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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1319.0. "Guarantee outside guarantee period ..." by EVOAI1::HULLAH (Jacquie Hullah @EVO) Mon Dec 17 1990 10:58

    This file has quite a few notes on guarantees.  I've just discovered
    that if you're prepared to write a few letters and kick up a bit of a
    fuss - what, me ;-) - then even if your car's guarantee period has
    expired, it IS possible to get the manufacturer to sort things out.
    
    Story: MG Metro Turbo bought in Nov. 1987 (a present from my 
    husband who decided that as I needed a car, getting me one for my 
    birthday would save him having to make any decision on a 'real' present!).  
    Car was 6 months old and had done just 6000 km when engine overheated on 
    the Autoroute de l'Est on the way to Metz.  This overheading was due to a 
    badly fitted horn vibrating against the radiator and piercing it.  Car was
    taken to nearest Austin Rover garage and new radiator fitted under
    guarantee.  I asked AR's European Service manager to also send someone
    to check that no other damage had occurred, since the overheating was
    hot enough to melt paint under the bonnet.  The checking by an "expert"
    was decided by AR to be not necessary.
    
    At 18 months old, still under guarantee, AR asked to "expertise" the
    car because oil consumption becoming worrying.  They were reminded
    about initial incident, but refused to send anyone.
    
    In November 1990, Metro booked in for 50,000 km service at AR-Jaguar
    dealer in Fontainebleau.  (They carry out 60,000 km service ...)
    Performance APPALLING after service - take car back.  AR say "don't
    worry madam, it's just the timing" - but it's just been serviced!!!
    
    No better two days later when I collect the car, so take it to local
    garage - run by the sort of mechanic who gets his hands dirty and
    doesn't use fancy gadgets.  He diagnoses warped cylinder head, probably
    due to overheating ...
    
    Read on in reply 1.
    
    Jacquie
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1319.1The end of the sagaEVOAI1::HULLAHJacquie Hullah @EVOMon Dec 17 1990 12:4549
    I put printer to paper and blasted off a letter to Austin Rover France,
    and sent a copy (with translation so they didn't have any excuses) to 
    AR European Service Manager at Cowley, gently reminding him of his
    sidekick's involvement and refusal to send someone to check the car over
    when the overheating occurred.
    
    A fortnight later I had a phone call from the head of AR France's
    Service Dept., advising that he could do nothing because the car was
    out of guarantee.  I pointed out that his department had been asked on
    three occasions to look at the car whilst it WAS under guarantee, and
    had refused, and that I now expected him to do something.  
    
    He said he could not now have the car looked at because it was not at
    an AR dealer.  I told him that if his AR dealer had been more
    competent, I wouldn't have had the cylinder head removed at another
    garage.  We then went through the saga of "if you weren't happy why
    didn't you go back after your service" "but I DID, and they said it was
    only timing", ...
    
    Finally I was told that if I could get my car towed to an AR dealer,
    he'd send someone.  I said he could send someone to my local mechanic,
    and that if he couldn't bend the rules, then I'd get AR Cowley to bend
    them, since he was aware that I'd already copied them with the
    correspondence.  Perhaps in the meantime, he'd let me have Graham Day's
    fax number ...
    
    After a phone call to my local mechanic, the AR France Service Manager
    came back with an offer of "we'll supply the parts (new cylinder head,
    valves, whatever's necessary to shut you up), but as the car's not at
    one of our dealers, you'll have to pay for the labour".  I accepted this
    as reasonable, and a fortnight later handed over the equivalent of �100
    (in cash, of course) to the local chap for fitting the parts he'd
    picked up from Fontainebleau for me.
    
    Moral of this long story.  Don't take NO for an answer.  Write letters,
    make phone calls, find out who's in charge, keep copies of everything
    and be prepared to keep going.  Don't give up.  You CAN get things done 
    outside guarantee periods, if you can provide evidence to the
    manufacturer that they've been negligent.  
    
    Finally, the garage in F'bleau is about to get a letter telling them
    what I think of a 2000F service bill which didn't mention a warped
    cylinder head (or incidentally a hole in the exhaust, which I knew
    about but was expecting them to at least mention) and gently pointing
    out that they've not only lost servicing of my MG Metro Turbo, but also
    my husband's Rover 827i Sterling.  And when either car needs changing,
    there are other AR dealers around.
    
    Jacquie 
1319.2AR - Annoying RubbishMAJORS::REVELLShoots, but can't hit..Mon Dec 17 1990 16:4421
Hi,

I also experienced just a few problems with my Austin Rover car, an MG Montego
Turbo . But after writing a letter to AR customer service in Cowley,Oxfordshire
they said if I got any major problems then give them a ring and they would 
see what they could do.

Well I held them to their promise , when my brake lights stopped working due to
a wiring fault. The garage that repared my car wanted 100 sov's , so I phoned 
up AR and they said they would see to it. Mind you , the car was only two years
old and had only broken down 4 times, twice due to ruptured hoses and gaskets.

So it is worth bitching, though the dealers wasn't much use. If you have parted 
with X thousands of pounds, then you are entitled to a bit of customer
satisfaction.




Gary.
1319.3The dealers spoil the reputation of the carsVOGON::MITCHELLEOh! ......<o-' '42>.... oops!!!Mon Dec 17 1990 17:3613
    
    I think that many of AR franchised agents do nothing but harm as far as
    the Rover image is concerned. I know of several people who have only
    got things sorted out by going to AR customer services. (Isn't that one
    of the reasons why Penta in Reading was dis-enfranchised - too many 
    customer complaints)
    
    We've had three new AR cars, and although we have had a couple of minor
    problems - all which should have been easily put right, the agrevation
    caused by the dealers magnifies these things out of all proportion.
    
    At the moment there seems to be no-one who can set up a pair of
    headlights on a Maestro so they are directed correctly!
1319.4SUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingTue Dec 18 1990 10:1113
	Well, I had a Maestro, which I had serviced/repaired at Penta, I now
	have a Montego, it gets serviced in Theale, and it would have been
	repaired there too, however the insurers chose the higher quote.

	And my saga of that repair at the AR dealer is noted here.

	Suffice to say that my opinion of both is the same.

	Heather

	PS: Penta tried to get out of fixing my sunroof by telling me it was 
	designed to leak!
1319.5CHEFS::WARDCWed Jan 23 1991 18:2410
    I am aware of two manufacturers, Ford and Fiat, who operate "Goodwill" 
    schemes whereby parts that have failed well short of expected lifetime
    will be considered for warranty repairs.  In both cases, one crankshaft
    and one clutch, I failed to get recompense only because I wasn't the
    original owner though I could prove low mileage from dealer service 
    records. Otherwise I would not have had a problem.  However, in all
    cases it pays to be tenacious and thorough in your record keeping as
    well as throwing your weight around, ie size of company fleet. In
    previous companies a phone call from the fleet manager to the dealer or 
    to the manufacturer usually results in action.