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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1118.0. "Gyro assisted suspension" by OVAL::ALFORDJ (Ice a speciality) Tue Jun 19 1990 10:16

    
    Did anyone else see the demonstration of the Gyro stabilised suspension
    in the Design Awards program ?
    
    The two Ferraris (?), the white one all but falling off the road and
    the black one dead steady, was very impressive.
    
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1118.1Lotus cars?IOSG::WOODSMartin WoodsTue Jun 19 1990 11:482
My brother saw this, and told me they were two Lotus cars......

1118.2OVAL::ALFORDJIce a specialityTue Jun 19 1990 12:254
    
    I knew at the time, I just could remember...that's why the (?) :-)
    
    It was still impressive !
1118.3CHEST::LEECHTue Jun 19 1990 12:255
    I did see it and the were 2 brand new lotus excels.
    
    
    The active suspension car was AMAZING !!!
    
1118.4Not new?IOSG::MARSHALLArgle Bargle IVTue Jun 19 1990 12:568
I saw a similar demonstration two or three years ago.  It wasn't gyroscopic
though; can anyone remember what it was?  What happened to it?  The results
were just as impressive as the new gyro thing.

I wonder how much it costs to fit "active suspension" to a car?  Do you think it
will be in production in time to fit to the Moss? ;-)

Scott
1118.5Nearly ten years old now!VANILA::LINCOLNThe sun has got his hat onTue Jun 19 1990 13:1211
	Tis a Lotus development, dating from the very early 80s. They
	tried it on the F1 cars on two separate occasions. A lot of
	the early work was done by Cranfield Institute.

	In it's original form it was heavy and expensive. The new
	gyro makes it more of a practicable proposition. I think
	that it's being developed for use in GM (who now own Lotus)
	road cars. A way of providing the super soft suspension of
	the traditional boulevard cruiser without the disadvantages.

	-John
1118.6how long is a lifetime ?OVAL::ALFORDJIce a specialityTue Jun 19 1990 16:568
    
    As this gyro was developed for use in "intelligent" missiles......
    
    
    
    Does is self-destruct ?
    
    :-)
1118.7One would like one....CURRNT::PREECE27 8x10 Colour Glossy Pictures....Tue Jun 19 1990 18:4612
    
    
    I seem to recll that the original system (from GM ?) used a very
    complex and bulky array of accelerometers, and wasn't really practical,
    but the new "mini" solid-state gyro makes the whole thing much more
    sanitary.
    
    
    You have to admire the marketing departement at Lotus, getting HRH
    to advertise their cars on TV !!!!
    
    Ian
1118.8I was there....CHEFS::CLEMENTSDPublic Sector and TelecommsWed Jun 20 1990 10:3217
    Theo original Lotus "Active Suspension" was developed by the School
    of Mechanical Engineering at Cranfield Institute of Technology,
    Beds. All the detail design work was done on (you guessed it) VAXes
    (in fact the first 11/782 sold in the UK...... anybody remember
    those?). The design work for the microprocessor control work was
    done on a 11/780 and the modelling/simulation on a PDP11/34 with
    a FPS Floating Point Processor. 
    
    I remember the black Lotus test car charging up and down the main
    runway at CIT on test runs most dinnertimes (and at othertimes when
    there weren't aircraft taking off/landing........
    
    The development was done as an external contract for Lotus by CIT
    and included not only the design but all the modifications to the
    test car and testing.
    
    The work was done late '81-late '84.
1118.9More info ...BELLY::WILLIAMSCADG Support - SBPSat Jun 23 1990 17:5425
    The development of active suspension was actually carried out by my
    father (Dave Williams) who is head of the Flight Instrumentation
    Laboratories at CIT - he won his first contract for Lotus back in the
    70's when they wanted the departments consultancy in aerodynamics (the
    Lotus "skirt" was the first development).
    
    "Active" fell by the way-side after Colin Chapmans death - but was
    re-kindled again for just one season in formula 1 (Dad has loads of
    funny stories about Mansell writing off cars and Senna chickening out
    with the Active car - only pulling 2G around corners!!).
    
    Now active has been patented and has been sold as a prototype to a
    number of different companies (with strict control by Lotus) - the cars
    I know of are - Buick, Corvette, Peugeot 405, Peugeot T16, Rolls Royce,
    Volvo 740 Turbo, Senator - and the original Esprit Turbo and an Excel.
    
    The system has been being developed in later years (probably the last
    ten) on Hewlett Packard equipment.
    
    The main problem with active is that standard production car tyres
    cannot cope with the stress put on the tyre walls, in formula 1 they
    had to have a special tyre developed by Michelin, the Corvette goes
    through a set of tyres every 500 miles!!
    
    Caroline
1118.10we got there between us.......CHEFS::CLEMENTSDPublic Sector and TelecommsWed Jun 27 1990 10:4718
    Thanks for the corrected information, Caroline. I am afraid the
    'ol grey cells are getting a bit congealed. Having been away from
    the Account (I was Account Manager from late '79 to '84/'85) for
    6 years will have to do as an excuse! 
    
    BTW..... Cranfield is chock ful of VAX's...... the only IBM kit
    there was what was GIVEN to CIT by IBM. Digital removed ICL as the
    incumbent. I also saw your father's group working on a Harrier,
    Hawk, Buccaneer, Lightning, Wessex aircraft as well as sundrt other
    bits of interesting aviation. I was there when Angus McVitie (CIT
    test pilot) test flew Roland Frassinet's PR19 Spitfire that Rogers
    Aviation rebuilt. He took off very gently and then disappeared.
    The crowd thought nothing more but we had forgotten that Angus was
    a WWII Spitfire jockey....... until he came over the hangers from
    behind the crowd and jumped us witha low pass that must have put
    the ptop tips about 25' off the ground.
    
    Quite an interesting account to have!