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1118.1 | Lotus cars? | IOSG::WOODS | Martin Woods | Tue Jun 19 1990 11:48 | 2 |
| My brother saw this, and told me they were two Lotus cars......
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1118.2 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:25 | 4 |
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I knew at the time, I just could remember...that's why the (?) :-)
It was still impressive !
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1118.3 | | CHEST::LEECH | | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:25 | 5 |
| I did see it and the were 2 brand new lotus excels.
The active suspension car was AMAZING !!!
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1118.4 | Not new? | IOSG::MARSHALL | Argle Bargle IV | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:56 | 8 |
| I saw a similar demonstration two or three years ago. It wasn't gyroscopic
though; can anyone remember what it was? What happened to it? The results
were just as impressive as the new gyro thing.
I wonder how much it costs to fit "active suspension" to a car? Do you think it
will be in production in time to fit to the Moss? ;-)
Scott
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1118.5 | Nearly ten years old now! | VANILA::LINCOLN | The sun has got his hat on | Tue Jun 19 1990 13:12 | 11 |
| Tis a Lotus development, dating from the very early 80s. They
tried it on the F1 cars on two separate occasions. A lot of
the early work was done by Cranfield Institute.
In it's original form it was heavy and expensive. The new
gyro makes it more of a practicable proposition. I think
that it's being developed for use in GM (who now own Lotus)
road cars. A way of providing the super soft suspension of
the traditional boulevard cruiser without the disadvantages.
-John
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1118.6 | how long is a lifetime ? | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Tue Jun 19 1990 16:56 | 8 |
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As this gyro was developed for use in "intelligent" missiles......
Does is self-destruct ?
:-)
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1118.7 | One would like one.... | CURRNT::PREECE | 27 8x10 Colour Glossy Pictures.... | Tue Jun 19 1990 18:46 | 12 |
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I seem to recll that the original system (from GM ?) used a very
complex and bulky array of accelerometers, and wasn't really practical,
but the new "mini" solid-state gyro makes the whole thing much more
sanitary.
You have to admire the marketing departement at Lotus, getting HRH
to advertise their cars on TV !!!!
Ian
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1118.8 | I was there.... | CHEFS::CLEMENTSD | Public Sector and Telecomms | Wed Jun 20 1990 10:32 | 17 |
| Theo original Lotus "Active Suspension" was developed by the School
of Mechanical Engineering at Cranfield Institute of Technology,
Beds. All the detail design work was done on (you guessed it) VAXes
(in fact the first 11/782 sold in the UK...... anybody remember
those?). The design work for the microprocessor control work was
done on a 11/780 and the modelling/simulation on a PDP11/34 with
a FPS Floating Point Processor.
I remember the black Lotus test car charging up and down the main
runway at CIT on test runs most dinnertimes (and at othertimes when
there weren't aircraft taking off/landing........
The development was done as an external contract for Lotus by CIT
and included not only the design but all the modifications to the
test car and testing.
The work was done late '81-late '84.
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1118.9 | More info ... | BELLY::WILLIAMSC | ADG Support - SBP | Sat Jun 23 1990 17:54 | 25 |
| The development of active suspension was actually carried out by my
father (Dave Williams) who is head of the Flight Instrumentation
Laboratories at CIT - he won his first contract for Lotus back in the
70's when they wanted the departments consultancy in aerodynamics (the
Lotus "skirt" was the first development).
"Active" fell by the way-side after Colin Chapmans death - but was
re-kindled again for just one season in formula 1 (Dad has loads of
funny stories about Mansell writing off cars and Senna chickening out
with the Active car - only pulling 2G around corners!!).
Now active has been patented and has been sold as a prototype to a
number of different companies (with strict control by Lotus) - the cars
I know of are - Buick, Corvette, Peugeot 405, Peugeot T16, Rolls Royce,
Volvo 740 Turbo, Senator - and the original Esprit Turbo and an Excel.
The system has been being developed in later years (probably the last
ten) on Hewlett Packard equipment.
The main problem with active is that standard production car tyres
cannot cope with the stress put on the tyre walls, in formula 1 they
had to have a special tyre developed by Michelin, the Corvette goes
through a set of tyres every 500 miles!!
Caroline
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1118.10 | we got there between us....... | CHEFS::CLEMENTSD | Public Sector and Telecomms | Wed Jun 27 1990 10:47 | 18 |
| Thanks for the corrected information, Caroline. I am afraid the
'ol grey cells are getting a bit congealed. Having been away from
the Account (I was Account Manager from late '79 to '84/'85) for
6 years will have to do as an excuse!
BTW..... Cranfield is chock ful of VAX's...... the only IBM kit
there was what was GIVEN to CIT by IBM. Digital removed ICL as the
incumbent. I also saw your father's group working on a Harrier,
Hawk, Buccaneer, Lightning, Wessex aircraft as well as sundrt other
bits of interesting aviation. I was there when Angus McVitie (CIT
test pilot) test flew Roland Frassinet's PR19 Spitfire that Rogers
Aviation rebuilt. He took off very gently and then disappeared.
The crowd thought nothing more but we had forgotten that Angus was
a WWII Spitfire jockey....... until he came over the hangers from
behind the crowd and jumped us witha low pass that must have put
the ptop tips about 25' off the ground.
Quite an interesting account to have!
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