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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1103.0. "Pulling a fast one!?" by YUPPY::SACKMANJ (I was dreaming of the past...) Fri Jun 08 1990 16:45

    	Having just started looking at this conference and -not- wading
    thru the entire directory I thought I'd put in a note, any suggestions?
    
    	In the beginning of April I was stopped for speeding in Doncaster
    in a 40 limit doing 58 mph.  OK I thought its a fair cop, my speedo
    DID say 58 mph, produced the documents and was away...
    
    	9th May I received my summons for a court date of 3rd May!!!
    	The problem was/is that the summons says 68 mph in a 40 limit.
    
    	I phoned the policeman that did me and he checked his log book
    and charge sheet, they both said 68 mph.  Of course he thinks I
    was doing 68 (that's what his records say!).  If I go to the court
    and try saying "Its a mistake 'onest guv," they're likely to think
    I'm pulling a fast one (?) to reduce the fine.  Heeeellllllppppp!!??
    
    			Jon.
    
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1103.1I'm still collecting the bonus pointsWOTVAX::HARRISCNe Te Confundant Illegitimi !Fri Jun 08 1990 17:357
    Re -1
    
    Did the constable say he was refering this case to court, because it
    sounds to me that all you should have received was a 'on-the-spot'
    fixed penalty.
    
    ..Craig
1103.2I might have killed someone??YUPPY::SACKMANJI was dreaming of the past...Fri Jun 08 1990 18:336
    
    Yes, he did say he was referring it to court.  The reason being
    a child was killed on that stretch of road a couple of weeks earlier.
    
    			Jon.
    
1103.3SUBURB::PARKERFri Jun 08 1990 18:439
    The constabulary have discretion to issue a fixed penalty ticket
    if you are less than 20mph over. They are not obliged to exercise
    this discretion, and could, in theory, take you to court for 1mph
    over (although the Justices would have something to say about it).
    
    I guess you need some rapid legal advice; if you are a member, try
    the AA or RAC. 
    
    Steve
1103.4AA - 0635 71071.RDGE44::JONESKYep you sure areMon Jun 11 1990 09:191
 
1103.5ITS NOT ALLWAYS A FAIR COPWOTVAX::CROUGHANKWed Jun 13 1990 15:0720
Jon ,
    The same sort of thing happened to a relation of mine he was travelling at 
45mph in a 30 mph zone, and was done for speeding when he recieved his summons  
the officer had recorded in his report that he was doing 57mph. He new that this 
wasnt correct so he wrote a letter to the court and explained that the officer 
may have clocked him at his own acceleration speed and that he wasnt disputing 
the integrity of the officer (suggesting he was lying) but that a mistake could 
have been made .Well the court went for it anyway and he was given a much lesser 
fine.
    I suggest you do something similar but tread carefully you will have the 
book thrown at you and anything else the magistrate has close at hand if they 
think you lying.

Regards 
Kieran
 
    p.s.this is only going to be of any use if he tailed you and didnt get you 
with a trap or gun.


1103.6Take my punishment like a man!?YUPPY::SACKMANJI was dreaming of the past...Thu Jun 14 1990 12:2511
    	No, it was a stationary radar trap so I think I'm going to go
    down quietly.  As you say I could make matters worse by claiming
    that I was not going quite that fast ("But you were still speeding,"
    echoes from the magistrate!)
    	One point that came up as a result of this was that
    I was given nothing on the spot to say what speed I was doing when
    caught, however if I hadn't been able to produce my documents the
    copper would have given me a five-day ticket with the offence details
    on it!  Maybe we should drive around without our licenses??
        
    			Jon.
1103.8Whoah thereVANILA::LINCOLNThe sun has got his hat onThu Jun 14 1990 13:0411
	The police as such cannot say whether anyone will be prosecuted
	or not - it simply isn't their job.

	If they consider an offence has been committed then they forward
	the details to the public prosecutor who may or may not decide
	to proceed. For a simple motoring offence this will normally be
	a rubber stamp activity but no policeman can actually say you'll
	be prosecuted with total certainty nad indeed I believe they have
	to obey the standard line of "this will be reported to etc..."

	-John
1103.9ANNECY::MATTHEWSM+M Enterprises. Thats the CATCHThu Jun 14 1990 13:377
	It is probably still worth mentioning it. The difference
	between 45 in a 30 limit and 60 in a 30 limit is a lot.
	In the latter case, you risk loss of licence.

	Yes, you were speeding, but not by as much as they said.

  Mark