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Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

918.0. "System + Power Engineering" by RUTILE::BISHOP () Wed Jan 10 1990 09:30

    OK, I'll start off what i think is a new subject.
    
    System + Power Engineering
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    There is a company is UK who 'upgrade' engines, and also brakes
    and suspension.
    
    For example:-
    
   *2litre Orion which outclasses the Escort RS Turbo, and both 0-60
    and top end. Safety is also another high factor. Better road
    handling and stiffer steering at high speeds.
    This modification is Ford approved and the car is badged under
    Orion 2000E.
    
   *2litre XR2 which outclasses the 205 1.9Gti, Renault 5 turbo, Escort
    RS Turbo, Fiesta Technics Turbo... need i go on. And as before
    safety is a big factor. Top end being 135mph and 0-60 7.1 !
    This is not Ford approved so cannot be re-badged. Does this mean
    Ford consider it being unwise making this adjustment in such a small
    car? I have heard that the new fiesta range is to include an RS
    turbo when they can tone it down !
    
    Now a 2litres engine in the Orion doesn't sound too bad, but in
    the Fiesta ? The upgrading of the Suspension and brakes involves
    lowering the car, using harder suspension, using some kind of harder
    material brake discs. 
    
    The whole package for the XR2 amounts to �1600, if fitted by them,
    and �1300 if fitted by yourself (!)
    
    Has anybody test-driven one of these and if so, what was it like.
    My XR2 is longing for this modification (so am i -;)), but safety
    comes first and i want to know whether the car can handle this
    power ! seeing as Pugeot put a 1.9 in the 205, surely the 2litre
    is safe enough in the Xr2 ?
    
    Comments please ?
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918.1A NONOUTROP1::BOSMAN_PWed Jan 10 1990 12:269
    Remember all are still FWD cars. Obviously Ford indeed think it
    "unwise"(typical British understatement) to fit so much torque into
    a FWD package.
    Pretty useless for a street car too.
    Better get the Daihatsu 4wd 1300cc 16 valve Coup� and get that to 
    put out 150 BHP. Still pretty lethal but at least you'll still have 
    steering while accellerating.
    
    Peter    
918.2A whole new car? - No way !RUTILE::BISHOPWed Jan 10 1990 12:3011
    Re .1
    
    Do you mean buy a new car ? Or just obtain the engine ? I definately
    do NOT want to depart with the XR2, i just would like a bit more
    perforamnce. I have looked into the Technics Turbo but they would
    have to build a new block? for my engine because of the mileage
    (over 30k).
    One guy i spoke to mentioned sticking in an injection unit, but
    this all sounds rather dodgy to me.
    
    Lewis
918.3SHAPES::STREATFIELDCWIZARD STUFFWed Jan 10 1990 12:356
    re- "sticking in an injection unit"
    
    Why not, if you stick to the one used in the XR3i, then why should that
    not work, I thought it was designed for that engine??
    
    Carl.
918.5Loadsamoney?CURRNT::JENKINS_RUndone, Underdone or Overdone?Wed Jan 10 1990 13:596

   Have you found out what the insurance premiums would be like for the
   XR? If you find out or already know I'd be interested.
    
   Richard.
918.6Insurance - don't worry about itRUTILE::BISHOPWed Jan 10 1990 14:3119
    re: .5
    
    You must be joking !
    
    I have all the leaflets etc.. at home but if i ever properly
    thought about this i would ask for a full spec. for insurance
    purposes. Then ring around. I would guess it would be around
    the groups 6/7.
    
    I found out that the technics turbo xr2 was classed as group 5.
    At the moment the xr2 is a 4, and i used to drive a Nissan 1.8 
    which was classed as a 5, so maybe they'd add another group for 
    non-standard car, or am i wrong ?
    
    Will they throw the book at me for a modified car ?
    
    I have also had all the usual guys trying to sell me special
    air-filters, and cams .... but i don't really see that this
    could improve it that much.
918.7outa time.SHAPES::STREATFIELDCWIZARD STUFFWed Jan 10 1990 14:496
    High lift cam, yes, that would increase the flow of gases in/out of the
    engine, but be sure to check out if it would effect the injection
    system, if you go for both!
    
    Carl.
    
918.8I think i'm out of my depth!RUTILE::BISHOPWed Jan 10 1990 15:3923
    Re: .*
    
    I'm new to this 'modifying cars' stuff so i really don't know
    the benefits from one thing to another.
    
    I would like to increase performance without losing safety (or
    uprating safety to match). I have enquired about ABS for the XR2
    and have been told this is inpossible because of spare space, but
    i believe it is an option on the xr2i's (?).
    
    re; .7
    
    What would be the benefit of going for both ? What does a high lift
    cam make (difference). I know the basics of fuel injection and turbo's
    and superchargers (now there's a thought ;-)), but adding small
    bits here and there is something completely new to me.
    
    Also how easy is this kind of stuff to do and maintaine ?
    
    I am going back to the uk tonight so i will pick up the leaflets
    and bring them in.
    
    Lewis.
918.9I think....SHAPES::STREATFIELDCWIZARD STUFFWed Jan 10 1990 16:1716
    The Cam, depending on your engine, is the bit that whirrs round, and
    through either pushrods, or whatever, moves the valves up and down, If
    you go for a bigger lift on the Cam, then this pushes the valves up 
    a further distance, thus giving more space for the burn't gases to
    escape quicker, therefore giving less resistance to the engine going
    round, so it can go faster, The main thing it will do (I think) is let
    your engine rev higher, and get up revs quicker. 
    
    But, esp. on an old car, it puts a strain on things like valve springs
    and guides etc.
    
    Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how it works on my
    car.
    
    Carl.
    
918.10TasteUTROP1::BOSMAN_PThu Jan 11 1990 09:1436
    I upgraded my wife's 205 GTi to rally specs. Suspension, engine,
    rollbar, etc.                             
    OK for rally sprints etc. Fun on gravel. But a terror on the road.
    FWD just can't cope with lotsa kilowatts �nd steering at the same
    time. It is just a question of adhesion. 4WD �s very benificial
    in this respect for ROAD use.             
    I am talking about actualy using the availabe power. I just don't
    like a car to loose grip on the front wheels when in a corner. Since
    a FWD car is by nature understeered this leaves you with the handbrake
    and prayers to stay on the road.   
    Maybe a question of taste.                
    Used to have an Alfa coup� adapted to circuit racing too.
    For my taste FWD is just perfect for the family car and everyday
    use. Very safe too.
    For spectecular driving and fun RWD with front engine and lotsa
    power. Advanced driving skills required, otherwise not very safe.
    For high speed cruising saloons with 200+ bhp I'd prefer 4WD and
    automatic tranny.
    Hyper sports cars for high speed cornering 4WD again.
    Competion use; anything that gives you the thrills.
    
    On tuning street cars: I don't approve. Just think of the environmental
    costs. For the occasionally used fun car OK, I am willing to
    compromise. But usually simple tuning it out. Just replacing a
    simple item will ruin the setup of the rest. The chain is only as
    strong as...... Wanna change the cam? Change carbs or setup, airfilter,
    exhaust, ignition etc.
    
    Back to the original question: more HP from an XR2 wether sensible
    or not.
    Bolting on the injection seems good advice. Probably
    you can find a XRi at a breaker and take off all parts needed.
    Such as intake manifold/ducts and especially the electronics.
    Should give an extra mile or two on the gallon as well.
    
    Good luck with it.
918.11Disguised wolf!.SHAPES::STREATFIELDCWIZARD STUFFFri Jan 12 1990 09:5211
    Well, if you want a good read for tuning up your XR2, then take a look
    at this months Custom Car.
    It has an Xr2, which looks like a normal Xr2(maybe a little bit lower)
    
    The powerplant is a ford 2.8 litre injection, with drive going through
    the **rear** wheels!!
    
    A Wolf in an Alsations clothing perhaps!!
    
    Carl.