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282.1 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Tue Jul 12 1994 09:39 | 9 |
| Re: .5
You can buy whole-house surge suppressors. I have one, made by
Intermatic; it attaches to the circuit breaker panel. It's rated
for a whopping amount of surge current, but nothing will really
protect against a direct hit. Still, such a device would be well
worth the small ($40 or so plus installation) investment for you.
Steve
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282.2 | ground != ground.. 8-( | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Thu Jul 14 1994 08:34 | 26 |
| We had a bout with a nearby strike a few months ago (just got the
check, finally).
In my case, I don't think the whole-house protector would have helped,
because I don't think anything came in via the power wiring.. I think
what happened is the local magnetic field induced common-mode spikes in
anything that had a long wire attached, or induced a differential
voltage between any two wires leading to a single unit:
The VCRs (which have both power and cable) were toast.
Stereo power amp sustained output-circuit damage (long speaker
wires
Modems and phones which had a wall cube blew up somewhere in the
phone-input stage (power and phone to the unit).
So, the current plan being implemented in my house is:
1.) whole-house suppressors on power and also phone at the power
service entrance.
2.) single-point, common ground suppressors for anything that has
more than one cable attached to it. (e.g. phone suppressors
plugged into the same outlet as the computer, before the
power fans out into the UPS, socket strips, etc).
3.) MOVs to chassis on both sides of speaker leads.
...tom
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282.3 | a postscript.. | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Thu Jul 14 1994 08:39 | 18 |
| BTW, the intermatic suppressor functions by providing a path for some
of the energy; it is placed in parallel on a branch leg, so it isn't
actually in the line of fire to the other branches.
One can also have an electrician install a much larger GE suppressor in
either the meter box or the breaker panel; this unit is designed to go
directly across the incoming line. This is expensive, and probably not
worth it for most situations (you have to be really careful about
grounds in this case, and most electricians DO NOT understand
lightning grounding)..
Don't make your own phone-line suppressors out of MOVs; they can cause
fires in the event of a "line-cross" fault (where a power line manages
to contact a phone line). The phone-line suppressors that you buy have
fuses and fusible paths to sacrifice themselves in case of such an
incident..
...tom
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282.4 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Jul 14 1994 10:46 | 8 |
| Re: .8
The Intermatic suppressor I have is wired to both hot lines, neutral and
ground in the panel box. I don't quite see how it could fail to protect
all of the branches. It is the size of a surface-mount outlet box,
epoxy-filled and rather heavy.
Steve
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282.5 | some questions | UNXA::LEGA | System V Environment,462-6025 | Fri Jul 15 1994 16:41 | 11 |
|
re -last few.
Do you need one intermatic for each leg in a house with
a gnd and two legs?
Does anyone have a schematic for a phoneline surge prot?
Thanks
Pete
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282.6 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Jul 15 1994 17:35 | 3 |
| No, just one; it protects both legs.
Steve
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282.7 | inductance and sub-microsecond risetimes.. | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Mon Jul 18 1994 08:20 | 12 |
| The Intermatic is better than nothing (I do have one), but its
protection is somewhat limited because of all the inductance between it
and the branche circuits. So, it primarily functions by absorbing energy
later in the surge rather than by killing off the leading edge.
It wouldn't surprise be to still be able to see several KV for a
microsecond on the house circuits with this arrangment. All that means
is that solid-state things may still need some protection, but you
probably won't have catastrophic mechanical damange (like the wall-cube
I have that shorted its primary..)
...tom
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282.8 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Jul 18 1994 10:14 | 6 |
| Tom,
Could you please explain regading the inductance? Where does it come from?
(the breakers themselves?)
Steve
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282.9 | lead self-inductance.. | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Tue Jul 19 1994 08:17 | 34 |
| The long wires that connect the suppressor to the breaker.
The way to connect a surge-suppression device for maximum effectiveness
is to run the circuit being protected "through" the suppression device,
thus:
--------- -------------
\/
line +--+ load
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| | suppressor
+--+
/\
---------- -------------
This minimizes the common inductance between the line circuit and the
load circuit. In practice, this means making the leads as short as
possible, although there are both varistors and clamp diodes available
with four wires so that you can actually run the load through the
package of the device.
So, for maximum effectiveness, you'd want to mount the suppressor on
the side of the box where the neutral and ground bus bars are, and wire
straight in to the nearest breaker from there. This is usually
"inconvenient", because there is a lot of congestion in that area of
most breaker panels, and the high-amperage breakers tend to gravitate
there as well.
There is also a second-order problem in that the leading edge of the
surge may also see sufficient inductance in the sharp bend where the
breaker connects to the bus-bar (and also in the internal wiring of the
breaker) to limit the effectiveness of the suppression device.
...tom
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