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Conference 7.286::home_work

Title:Home_work
Notice:Check Directory (6.3) before writing a new note
Moderator:CSLALL::NASEAM::READIO
Created:Tue Nov 05 1991
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2100
Total number of notes:78741

1018.0. "Tools - Hydraulic Jacks" by CSOVAX::MILLS () Fri Jan 10 1992 11:47

    I have a Hydrolic jack that I just can't figure out, I bought about 15
    years ago. For about the first year or so it worked great. Then I was
    in an auto supply store and saw Hydrolic Fluid for jacks etc. So I
    bought some to have it ready. One day I thought I'd give the jack a
    Tune-up. So I topped it off with the hydrolic jack oil. BIG mistake.
    After that it would not go all the way up or down. I played with it a
    while taking some oil out letting a little air in etc. and it could go
    all the way down, but it was never the same again. But it has been
    usable for the past 10 years or so. Suddenly it's maximum height decreased
    a lot (but STILL usable) and I figured this time it really needed oil.
    I put oil in and now it does NOT WORK at all.
    
    I really like this jack alot because it's like a mini-professonal one
    where you twist the handle you jack it up with. You don't have to pull
    the handle out and move it to another spot for jacking and open/close
    the valve. I really don't think it's broken. It's just that everytime
    I try to make it better I make it worse :-).
    
    It has 3 plugs on the jack. 2 on top and 1 on the bottom. I think it's
    just air-bound but I just don't know how to purge it. I don't know the
    manufacture and no longer have the owners manual.
    
    Any ideas on how to fix this thing.
    
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1018.1Probably got bad sealsSALEM::TOWLE_CCorkyFri Jan 10 1992 13:3421
RE: <<< Note 4482.0 by CSOVAX::MILLS >>>
    
 You probably used a type of oil that ate up the seals causing the problems 
you are now expreiencing. Some hyrdaulic oils are bad news on "O" rings.
They soften, deteriorate, and eat up the "O" rings which causes all sorts of
problems.

 Best thing to do is to rebuild the jack innards. Start by draining all the 
oil, disassembling the innards and cleaning out all the built up crud, then 
get new "O" rings and seals that will stand up to the type of oil you want to 
use.

 I once bought a real good hyrdaulic floor jack for a song that had the same 
problems you have with yours and a teardown and rebuild did the trick. Some of 
the "O" rings were so softened they had a consistency like a glue.

 The original owner had used the wrong type of oil to refill it and that's 
what tore up the seals.

 When you get all done there should be NO air in the system at all.    

1018.2been there tooOASS::BURDEN_DHe&#039;s no fun, he fell right overFri Jan 10 1992 17:5213
  The seals may have gone bad, but the usual symptom of that is the pump
  not pumping up or slowly dropping once up.  Using brake fluid in a
  hydraulic jack will surely kill it, but it sounds like you bought the
  right stuff.
  
  I recently rebuilt an old 3000lb Walker jack that my grandfather had. 
  The store that got the rebuild kit for me said it (the rebuild kit) was
  30 years obsolete, but they always kept one in stock.  The jack is
  probably from the 30's or 40's.  Works great now!
  
  .1 still had good advice.  Tear it down and see what needs replacing.
  
  Dave
1018.3Did not use brake fluidCSOVAX::MILLSMon Jan 13 1992 13:1713
    It has to be one of two things. Since it went from 1/2 working to
    no working in a matter of minutes.
    
    Like .-1 said fluid may of eaten seals (I did NOT use brake fluid)
    The can (labeld HYDRAULIC JACK OIL) does not have any warning or
    anything about uses/nonuses.
    
    I still suspect I have not filled it right. Do these things self
    prime/bleed. Or is there a specific procedure to filling them.
    What are the two top and 1 bottom plugs for (drain and fill?).
    
    I don't mind rebuilding it but I don't know want brand it even is.
    And I suspect it will be difficult to get a kit for.
1018.4It's alive !!!NICCTR::MILLSSun Jan 26 1992 00:3920
    It's alive again :-) :-). I really needed to use it bad. So I played
    with it again for a while. It was acting as though the main valve was
    stuck open. That is when I push down the jack went up. But when I
    lifted up for the next pump it did not hold. I really didn't have the time
    or patients to take the whole thing apart and if I did not fix it
    quickly I was going to run out and buy a new one (which probably would
    not been as good). So to "fix" it, I guessed that there might be a spec
    of dirt in the valve. So I though maybe a good "gush" might dislodge
    it. So I hit the pumping plugger with a hammer. And it worked !!!
    
    To properly fill it (Many many trial and errors) I closed the "down"
    valve. Opened the fill plugs. And pulled the jack to the top. Then I
    put the plugs in. It now pumps all the way. 90% as good as new. What
    was happening was that if I plugged it in the bottom position the
    resivior created a vaccuum and would not supply fluid. If I plugged it
    at the top position the pressure was always zero or positive and always
    supplied fluid. The reason it's not 100% new is that the pressure is
    too high when it's down and does not go quite all the way down (maybe
    too much fluid and not enough room to compress air). But I'm not going
    to play with it, it works :-).