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| 2.1 | A good idea | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Mon Mar 31 1986 08:28 | 18 |
| A few suggestions off the top of my head (not all may be appropriate)
Additions
Basement/foundation
Site work (wells, septic)
Bathrooms
Kitchens
Plumbing
Electric
Heating/Cooling
Post & Beam
Flooring
Contractors (questions, recommendations, and pans)
Carpentry (framing & finish)
That's a start, anyway
Paul
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| 2.2 | For older homes | GRAMPS::LISS | Fred - ESD&P Shrewsbury MA | Mon Mar 31 1986 13:00 | 10 |
| Painting
Wall papering
Hard wood floors
Paint removal
Insulation
Remember some of us have older homes.
Fred
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| 2.3 | A Couple more.... | JACOB::DIMACK | John J. DiMack | Fri Apr 04 1986 16:27 | 7 |
| Here are a couple more:
TOOLS, both Hand and Power
JIGS, for Radial arm/Table saws and other tools
John Di.
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| 2.4 | There's a file for that | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Mon Apr 07 1986 12:31 | 4 |
| There is a notes file devoted specifically to power and hand tools. In fact,
this file is a spin off from that one. It's at 4394::tools
Paul
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| 2.5 | keywords available | JOET::JOET | Just like a penguin in bondage... | Mon May 05 1986 11:37 | 15 |
| Dut to overwhelming MAIL requests (1) I finally set up a bunch of
keywords. To see them, type SHOW KEYWORD/ALL. Please use them
when you add a note. I'll be going through the file and adding
them to notes already written, but if you're the author of an earlier
note, you can add them yourself if you feel like it.
If you're unfamiliar with keywords, type HELP KEYWORD to see your
options.
If you feel the need for a new keyword, just post a reply here,
and I'll consider it.
Carry on,
-joet
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| 2.6 | Some additions | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Mon May 05 1986 15:16 | 34 |
| Well, I just took a half hour and added some keywords, and managed to come up
with quite a few suggestions, via notes that didn't fit in any already existing
category.
Masonry
Renovations
Plastering
Siding
Old_houses
Sewage (could be lumped in with plumbing, but there's lots of plumbing notes)
Hot_water
Gas
Oil
Wood_stoves
Tile
Estimating
Financing
Additions
Safety
Landscaping
Pests
Plans
Garage
Solar
Post & Beam
Tools
In the existing keywords, foundation and basement could probably be lumped
together. Also, Contractors_bad, Contractors_good, and Contractors_help
probably would be best combined into just Contractors. Replies to a note tend
to include both pans and praise, and I don't think we want to attach keywords
to all of the replies to differentiate them.
Paul
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| 2.7 | That was fast, Joe | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Tue May 06 1986 10:51 | 0 |
| 2.8 | Ya got keywords, now use 'em | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Mon Jul 07 1986 10:11 | 8 |
| Hey guys, remember keywords? I've gotten into the habit of checking each new
note for keywords and adding them if they aren't there. I'd say that maybe one
out of 10 notes is keyworded by it's author.
BTW, Joe, what do you think of a MISC keyword? I mean, what category do you
put dragging sheds and calculators in?
Paul
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| 2.9 | Thy will be done... | JOET::JOET | Thela hun ginjeet | Mon Jul 07 1986 10:53 | 1 |
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| 2.10 | I'm curious | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Thu Oct 09 1986 13:52 | 16 |
| Does anyone use the keywords? I've gotten into the habit of dutifully adding
keywords to each new note, so that they all have keywords. I've used them
several times to find things. Does anyone else? There have been several notes
lately about subjects that have already been discussed at length, and which can
be found easily using the keywords.
Also, does anyone know how to search for a logical AND of multiple keywords?
You can look for the logical OR with parentheses and commas, but that's not
much use. But it would be real nice, if I wanted info on insulating basements,
to do a dir of the keywords basement and insulation, and find the one or two
notes that have to do spcifically with that, instead of having to search
through all of the basement notes, or all of the insulation notes.
Thanks
Paul
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| 2.11 | If you're not part of the solution... | JOET::JOET | | Fri Oct 10 1986 10:41 | 14 |
| Although there have been many requests for more powerful keyword
search techniques in the VAXNOTES conference, the current version
does not support them.
As for keywords in general, I really wish folks would use them. I
believe that it's possible for anyone to mark anybody's note with a
keyword. Being a moderator, it's hard for me to tell what you regular
peons can and can't do, so can someone check it out and post the answer
here?
If my suspicions are correct, feel free to help out if the urge hits
you as you cruise through the conference.
-joet
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| 2.12 | If I can do it, anyone can | BEING::WEISS | Forty-Two | Fri Oct 10 1986 12:14 | 4 |
| Yes, Joe, anyone can put keywords on a note. I've added most of the keywords
that currently exist on notes.
Paul
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| 2.13 | Up with keywords! | CYGNUS::DARRYL | | Fri Oct 10 1986 13:53 | 4 |
| Thank you very much for adding the keywords. Though new to this
conference, I have poked around quite a bit to topics of interest,
just through the keywords.
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| 2.14 | | SYLPH::ALLEN | Roger Allen | Tue Apr 07 1987 10:36 | 6 |
| Anyone can put keywords on a note, but it's up to Joe to create
the keyword in the first place. He does have the option of allowing
noters to create keywords if there are too many requests to deal
with, but I get the impression that the request rate is not causing
a problem.
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| 2.15 | | BEING::WEISS | Trade freedom for security-lose both | Mon Apr 02 1990 17:00 | 128 |
| We've recently had a couple of requsts to fix or ad keywords, so we might as
well open it up.
What keywords do you think are stupid and should be eliminated?
What keywords do you think should be renamed?
What keywords do you think should be split up into multiple categories?
What new keywords do you think we should have?
A few thoughts of my own:
The ultimate goal would be to have a reasonably small number of very clear and
obvious keyword names, with perhaps 30-40 notes per keyword - about 2 to three
screens reading interactively, or about 1/2-2/3 of a page on a printout. We
clearly won't quite reach that, but it's something to shoot for.
In my mind the limiting factor for the number of keyword is to keep it down to
a number that will fit on one two-column page of printout. We currently have
112 keywords. Given a 66 line page, we could add a theoretical maximum of 20
more.
Naming is important. For example, the existing keyword CURTAINS-SHUTTERS-STORMS
is often not found, because people are looking in the keyword listing for
something about windows.
And directory length is also important. If the directories get too long then
they get more difficult to read through and find what you want. Some
directories, like MISC, just can't be helped when they get too large, but many
others can be broken into multiple directories. Part of the problem with this
is coming up with the categories. For example CLEANING is in desperate need of
splitting - it has about 100 entries - but what do we split it into?
One thing that could be done is to go through some of the old notes and
eliminate the useless ones. For example, topics which are discussed in four
notes, and two of them have hardly any replies. But I for one don't have the
time to go poking through old notes.
And just because we're asking doesn't mean that we'll actually DO anything any
time soon, but at least we'll have a few more ideas.
Anyway, my thoughts on a few keywords:
Stupid keywords: CONDOMINIUMS&APARTMENTS - it only has 6 notes. SOUNDPROOFING
and SKYLIGHTS are also cantidates, although not as clearly.
Rename: AIR_QUALITY_CONTROL, maybe. It has humidifiers and
dehumidifiers, air cleaners, radon stuff, etc. Anyone have a
good idea? If you're looking for info in dehumidifiers it's
not obvious, but I don't have any better ideas.
CURTAINS_SHUTTERS_STORMS to something that starts with WINDOW,
like WINDOWS-ACCESSORIES. See above.
DEALING_WITH_CONTRACTORS to CONTRACTORS-DEALING_WITH_THEM.
Again, so people will find it more easily.
Clean Splits: CABINETS&COUNTERTOPS, perhaps.
CARPENTRY-FLOORS&ROOFS, definitely.
CHIMNEYS&BRICKS needs to separate the chimney sorts of
questions from all the masonry notes.
DECKS&PORCHES
LEGAL_SURVEYING&TAXES - surveying doesn't really belong here,
but where does it belong?
PESTS - split into bugs and non-bugs
POOLS&SPAS, maybe
WELLS-PUMPS-HOLDING_TANKS, maybe
WINDOWS-INSTALLATION&USE into WINDOWS-INSTALLATION and
WINDOWS-MAINTENANCE&REPAIR
Notes which exceed or almost exceed one page of listing, and should be split,
but for which the splitting criteria are not clear:
CLEANING - in desperate need!
DOORS
ELECTRIC-WIRING
FLOORING-WOOD
FOUNDATION
FURNITURE
INSULATION
OLD_HOUSES
PAINT-INTERIOR
PLASTERING&SHEETROCK
PLUMBING-SUPPLY
RENOVATING
ROOF
SAFETY
TILE&SLATE
TOOLS
Notes which don't NEED to be split, but which are getting large enough to
consider for splitting, if we can come up with an appropriate split:
APPLIANCES
CARPENTRY-FINISH
GARAGE
LANDSCAPING
PAINT-EXTERIOR
VENTILATION
WOOD_FINISHES
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| 2.16 | Cleaning, some desperate help | WESTVW::LEE | Pack of wild, balding men bearing beer | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:19 | 9 |
| After taking a quick look at the directory for cleaning how
about starting with:
CLEANING-FLOORS All types of floors and floor coverings
CLEANING-WALLS&SURFACES Interior & exterior walls
CLEANING-MISC For those intersting problems...
CLEANING-INTERIOR For furniture, curtains
dave
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| 2.17 | | TLE::FELDMAN | Digital Designs with PDF | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:17 | 22 |
| While you're at it, how about cleaning up the & vs. _ vs. - punctuation.
It appears as though the intent is that - means "specifically." For example,
HEATING-FHA means Heating, specifically forced hot air heating. There are
exceptions such as WELLS-PUMPS-HOLDING_TANKS.
It also seems that & is used as the last separator in a list, just as in
written English. For example, PERMITS_CODES&INSPECTORS. Again, there are
exceptions, such as BOOKS_MAGAZINES_VIDEOS.
Finally, _ is used as a comma for lists that contain more than two elements
(PERMITS_...), and also as a space, as in AIR_QUALITY_CONTROL.
My suggestion is to a) eliminate & altogether. It would be ok if keywords
were in mixed case, but since they're almost always displayed in all caps, it's
very difficult to find the word break. Visually, CODES&INSPECTORS looks like
one word. b) Keep the above meaning for -. c) Use _ for everything else.
If you don't like that suggestion, then at least fix the keywords that are
inconsistent with whatever rules you do like.
Gary
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| 2.18 | | DICKNS::WELLCOME | Steve Wellcome (Maynard) | Tue Apr 03 1990 16:16 | 12 |
| NOTES really needs tree-structured keywords (and notes!), but lacking
that, perhaps you can get sort-of the same functionality by judicious
choice of keywords. Use a main header followed by a subheader (as
you do in some cases now) when it's appropriate:
PAINTING-EXTERIOR
PAINTING-INTERIOR
...etc.
rather than:
EXTERIOR_PAINTING
INTERIOR_PAINTING
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| 2.19 | KEYWORDS .. Some suggestions about .. | AHIKER::EARLY | Bob Early T&N/EIC | Thu Jul 26 1990 14:46 | 53 |
| >What keywords do you think are stupid and should be eliminated?
>What keywords do you think should be renamed?
>What keywords do you think should be split up into multiple categories?
>What new keywords do you think we should have?
>One thing that could be done is to go through some of the old notes and
>eliminate the useless ones. For example, topics which are discussed in four
>notes, and two of them have hardly any replies. But I for one don't have the
>time to go poking through old notes.
One method (see also BTOQA::HIKING Note #500) is "Structured"
modertor designated to perform selected shores, like "delete
useless notes".
One guide I've used successfully in both MODEMS and HIKING
is: Questions, with no replies, more than 6 months old
get the axe.
>LEGAL_SURVEYING&TAXES - surveying doesn't really belong here,
>PESTS - split into bugs and non-bugs
PESTS_CRAWLING
PESTS_FLYING
PESTS_INDOOR
PESTS_OUTDOOR
>OLD_HOUSES
HOUSES_MODERN
HOUSES_OLD
HOUSES_COLLECTIBLES
>PLASTERING&SHEETROCK
PLASTERING_SHEETROCK
PLASTERING_HORSEHAIR
PLASTERING_REPAIRS
PLASTERING_NEW
>RENOVATING
-BobE
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| 2.20 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Oct 01 1990 13:26 | 4 |
| I'd like to see a keyword for NOISE_CONTROL where we could find notes on the
subject of reducing sound transmission in a house.
Steve
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| 2.21 | | VMSDEV::PAULKM::WEISS | Trade freedom for security-lose both | Mon Oct 01 1990 14:29 | 7 |
| Like, perhaps, the keyword SOUNDPROOFING, whose directory is at note 1111.94?
:-)
:-)
:-)
Paul
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| 2.22 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Oct 01 1990 14:34 | 3 |
| Sigh - I looked up and down the keyword list and didn't see it. My apologies.
Steve
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| 2.23 | limitation of keywords | XANADU::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Fri Oct 05 1990 12:58 | 19 |
| A little experimental evidence and a plea to be patient with
people who cannot find things that have a perfectly good
keyword:
Tom Landauer et al of Bellcore determined the following:
1. Each person will think of 5 � 2 terms for an "information
object"
2. The chances that one person's "most favored term" will
equal another's are about 1-in-5
3. The chances that one person's five terms will include
one of another person's five are about 1-in-2
4. 100 people will come up with about 30 names for an
"object"
Bob
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| 2.24 | 2� | NOVA::FISHER | Oakland swept, so what | Thu Oct 25 1990 10:59 | 11 |
| How about some keywords that are never assigned to notes but are place
holders in the keyword directory such as:
NOISE_CONTROL=>SOUNDPROOFING
that can exist to point people in the right direction. It would
multiply the number of keywords but I don't think it would result in
doubling. I often think using keywords is like trying to find some
obscure detail in a [DEC] manual, there're just not enough indices.
ed
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| 2.25 | How about a keyword for REFERRALS? | RAB::MEHRING | | Mon Mar 04 1991 13:09 | 7 |
| Given the size of this conference (and thus the time required to search for a
given title), I think a REFERRAL keyword would be invaluable in reducing the
search-time for references...
Thanks,
-Cori (still looking for contractor--bath building/ceiling raising--referrals)
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| 2.26 | | VMSDEV::PAULKM::WEISS | Trade freedom for security-lose both | Mon Mar 04 1991 13:17 | 4 |
| Or, on the other hand, you could just read note 2000 and use the contractor's
referral area described there. :-)
Paul
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| 2.27 | How about a BARN | HPSTEK::HAUSRATH | Too many projects, not enough time | Mon May 13 1991 16:55 | 6 |
|
I was somewhat suprised to find no keyword for Barns.. I looked under
Garage, but didn't find any topics which related to my particular
problem.
/Jeff
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| 2.28 | RETAINING WALLS needed | ZENDIA::CHASE | Bruce Chase, Suffering thru MASS hysteria | Tue May 14 1991 13:50 | 2 |
| I know there is PATIOS_WALKS&WALLS, but one for
WALLS_ROCK&RETAINING would also be useful.
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| 2.29 | One of these days........ | EVMS::PAULKM::WEISS | Trade freedom for security-lose both | Tue May 14 1991 14:20 | 12 |
| The thing is, that the way this conference is run, just adding keywords is no
help. What I then need to do is change the keyword update procedure and move
notes from where they might be to where they could better be. I have a number
of ideas about how to better organize the keywords, I just haven't had time to
do anything about them.
Keep the ideas coming. Just because I don't do anything about them immediately
doesn't mean that I won't eventually. When I do get around to fixing things up
(When we near 5000 notes, perhaps?), I'll definitely check out this note for
suggestions.
Paul
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| 2.30 | | TNPUBS::MACKONIS | For a time,I rest in the grace of the world, and am free..." | Tue Jun 23 1992 18:07 | 2 |
| What about -- RESTORATIONS
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| 2.31 | | CSC32::GORTMAKER | Whatsa Gort? | Wed Jun 24 1992 02:33 | 7 |
| re.30
Done.
There is a renovations keyword already in existance might be worth
checking it out.
-j (co-mod)
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